Methyl-DHT or M-Dien?
- 05-30-2008, 01:44 AM
- 05-30-2008, 08:58 AM
Are you gyno prone from progesterone compounds?
M-DHT will harden you up and counter any (even if minimal) 4-AD bloat. It will also combine with the 1-T to boost strength even more. I found the true value of it to be taking it preworkout only.
m-dien flared my gyno BIG time.
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05-30-2008, 11:34 AM
05-30-2008, 11:38 AM
dsade, I do believe I am gyno prone. Did a short Phera-Max cycle (17 days) awhile ago, and my right nip was sore for awhile and sensitive to the touch.
Since I had this negative experience, is it better to stay away from M-Dien? Also, there is no expiration date on the M-DHT, but it was purchased right before the ban. Do you think it's still good if it's been stored in a dark closet?
05-30-2008, 12:32 PM
MDHT was phenominal for me in the aggression, strength and dryness department. Allowed me to lower the 1AD dosage a bit which helped with the soul crushing lethargy it gives me. I could take a nap anywhere, anytime on that stuff, lol.
M-Dien really didn't do anything notable for me. Even at 5x the original recommended dosage. I think I did somewhere around 40mg a day but that was years ago and this old mans memory is slipping.
05-30-2008, 12:45 PM
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05-30-2008, 02:18 PM
05-30-2008, 06:38 PM
I guess I'll go with M-DHT.
Now, in terms of supporting supplements, DHT can really produce negative effects on the prostate, correct? What would be a good supp to keep it as healthy as possible during the cycle?
And should the MDHT only be run for four weeks of the six-week cycle?
05-30-2008, 06:45 PM
MDHT can also agravate hair loss if you are prone to male patern baldness. Also you are right about the prostate issues. Saw palmetto is the only thing I can think of but I also heard it can block DHT so I'm not sure about that. It might cancel out the strength effects of the DHT. I'm not positive about this though, so someone elese with more knowledge can help you out.
05-30-2008, 07:32 PM
finasteride and dutasteride will not work also cause mdht is 5 alpha reduced so fina will not interact with it.
for people prone to mpb and bph dht its a killer
05-30-2008, 07:43 PM
05-30-2008, 07:46 PM
05-30-2008, 07:51 PM
Ziquor, do you think one bottle of that is sufficient enough? The main thing I'm concerned about when using MDHT is if there are any irreversible effects on the prostate, because prostate cancer is the #1 killer in men, and I don't want to take any chances of messing with my prostate. I'm going to be almost 24 when I do this, so I'm still young, but why take the risk?
05-30-2008, 08:06 PM
However I dunno if in that product exists any ingredient that bind to the androgen receptors on the prostate cause that its the only way of being effective with 5-alpha reduced steroids like mdht
IMO this steroids should be avoided by mpb or bph prone people
The big question is how do you know you`re prone?
well, you dont (only when you got it...)
05-30-2008, 08:20 PM
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05-30-2008, 08:32 PM
Right with Saw P, & Nettle they can blunt 'remove build of dht' on the prostate thus helping decrease the size, if swollen.
05-30-2008, 08:36 PM
In all honesty though anyone that's used AAS should get it checked early. The PSA screening test can help diagnose prostate cancer/issues very early providing for a better longterm prognosis outcome. Mid-thirties would be my recommendation.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
05-30-2008, 08:38 PM
05-30-2008, 08:41 PM
well guys I made a quick search and there's a lot of contradictions on the effectiveness of saw palmetto, some say it works others that it doesn't , I took this from the mayo clinic web site:
These uses have been tested in humans or animals. Safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.
I guess that I would use it if I was using a dht steroid but I still think that people prone to mbp or bph( if someone of the family have it) should avoid those compounds
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