Phera-Plex and libido during the cycle! HELP

[Rafael Brasil]

if i run Phera-bol (20mg-4weeks) with Clomid my libido will stay up and my gains too? (phera-bol is a phera-plex clone)

I run mass Xtreme(phera plex clone) (20mg-4weeks) but my libido was destroyed, but the gains was incredible (22 POUNDS, but with fat)

please i want to run the phera-plex once again, but without this loss of libido during and after the cycle...

Any suggestions? AMS hormone regulation stack? Havoc/epistane??
thanks

(sorry for my english)

[12STEP]

why not run viagra or cialis while on cycle i dont thing clomid on cycle is a good idea

[Rafael Brasil]

i need my libido, viagra and cialis dont give it....

but why clomid isnt a good idea during the cycle??

[tgass]

Yep true that it is a SERM, but you can ask anyone in the forum they all are going to tell you the same, Clomid, Torem, Nolva, Raloxi, they all crush the libido, and the use of the SERM on clycle is merely to prevent gyno, maybe you can use HCG to keep the libido, but i am not sure about that one...

[Rafael Brasil]

please brow, edit your post and speak only english! (its a rule)

PM me to talk in portuguese .....

Clomid and tamoxifene is a SERM, correct, but those increase your serum testosterone and LH... conclusion, give back your libido


but exist other alternatives
drugs:
formestane?
toremifene?
suplemets:
novedex xt?

i dont know about the results but i need my libido during the cycle please veterans of anabolic minds help me!

(and sorry for my english)

[delsolrob]

Clomid and tamoxifene is a SERM, correct, but those increase your serum testosterone and LH... conclusion, give back your libido

but exist other alternatives
drugs:
formestane?
toremifene?
suplemets:
novedex xt?

i dont know about the results but i need my libido during the cycle please veterans of anabolic minds help me!

(and sorry for my english)

1st: toremifene is also a SERM

there are plenty of things that will help control estrogen during cycle but these things will not increase libido...

you could try HCG...I know it will help keep your boys from shriveling but I've never actually tried it.

DON'T run a SERM through your cycle! only use it to combat gyno while on (should only use it for a few days for this purpose).

there are some things that make steroids prohibitive...limp d!ck and loss of libido def make the list!

[Rafael Brasil]

what i do?? ....phera-plex is a great PH to build muscle but is also a libido destroyer for me... help please

[tgass]

As i said before you can try Havoc and Dermacrine, or you can try to use the dermacrine with the P-Plex, but i think that would be too wet of a cycle, correct me someone if i am wrong...

[Rafael Brasil]

havoc cause libido problems to someone too

and i dont know "dermacrine"...

[tgass]

http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...7-5-fl-oz.html

You can find it in another websites, or in the http://www.primordialperformance.com/

[Rafael Brasil]

dermacrine to increase testosterone?

[10195079]

I wouldn't use Havoc if you are having libido issues. From my experience, Havoc will boost your libido in the first couple of weeks and then cause a steady decline in libido for the remainder of the cycle.

[tgass]

I wouldn't use Havoc if you are having libido issues. From my experience, Havoc will boost your libido in the first couple of weeks and then cause a steady decline in libido for the remainder of the cycle.

True that. That's why i told him to use the Dermacrine with it...

[Rafael Brasil]

i have on hands a product called "dyma stack"... is a andro mix product...

PH complex:
1-androstenedione-3 beta, 17 beta diol 50mg
4-androstenedione 175mg
5androstenediol 75mg

dyma helps my libido to stay up??

[delsolrob]

adding more steroids to the mix will only cause more suppression and will probably add to the destruction of your libido

[Rafael Brasil]

are you sure....
andros convert to testo right?... testo enhance libido..

[tgass]

He is sure, i am sure. My friend, there is not much you can do to keep your libido on cycle, i think you have to choose from doing your cycle or keeping your libido...

[delsolrob]

are you sure....
andros convert to testo right?... testo enhance libido..

sorry bro, but I'm not getting the impression that you really understand how your body and hormones are effected by there products...maybe you shouldn't play with these products until you understand them and their effects better!

do more research

[tgass]

sorry bro, but I'm not getting the impression that you really understand how your body and hormones are effected by there products...maybe you shouldn't play with these products until you understand them and their effects better!

do more research

x2

[Rafael Brasil]

thanks guys.....im go running my phera-plex with tamoxifene 10/20mg ED

tamoxifene lower the estrogen and stimulates the testosterone....lower the gains...but lower the water retention as well....

i post my log after end.... mens.... thanks and apologize

sorry for my english again!