Phera-Plex and libido during the cycle! HELP

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    Phera-Plex and libido during the cycle! HELP


    if i run Phera-bol (20mg-4weeks) with Clomid my libido will stay up and my gains too? (phera-bol is a phera-plex clone)

    I run mass Xtreme(phera plex clone) (20mg-4weeks) but my libido was destroyed, but the gains was incredible (22 POUNDS, but with fat)

    please i want to run the phera-plex once again, but without this loss of libido during and after the cycle...

    Any suggestions? AMS hormone regulation stack? Havoc/epistane??
    thanks

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    why not run viagra or cialis while on cycle i dont thing clomid on cycle is a good idea
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    i need my libido, viagra and cialis dont give it....

    but why clomid isnt a good idea during the cycle??
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    Yep true that it is a SERM, but you can ask anyone in the forum they all are going to tell you the same, Clomid, Torem, Nolva, Raloxi, they all crush the libido, and the use of the SERM on clycle is merely to prevent gyno, maybe you can use HCG to keep the libido, but i am not sure about that one...
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    please brow, edit your post and speak only english! (its a rule)

    PM me to talk in portuguese .....

    Clomid and tamoxifene is a SERM, correct, but those increase your serum testosterone and LH... conclusion, give back your libido


    but exist other alternatives
    drugs:
    formestane?
    toremifene?
    suplemets:
    novedex xt?

    i dont know about the results but i need my libido during the cycle please veterans of anabolic minds help me!

    (and sorry for my english)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    Clomid and tamoxifene is a SERM, correct, but those increase your serum testosterone and LH... conclusion, give back your libido

    but exist other alternatives
    drugs:
    formestane?
    toremifene?
    suplemets:
    novedex xt?

    i dont know about the results but i need my libido during the cycle please veterans of anabolic minds help me!

    (and sorry for my english)
    1st: toremifene is also a SERM

    there are plenty of things that will help control estrogen during cycle but these things will not increase libido...

    you could try HCG...I know it will help keep your boys from shriveling but I've never actually tried it.

    DON'T run a SERM through your cycle! only use it to combat gyno while on (should only use it for a few days for this purpose).

    there are some things that make steroids prohibitive...limp d!ck and loss of libido def make the list!
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    what i do?? ....phera-plex is a great PH to build muscle but is also a libido destroyer for me... help please
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    As i said before you can try Havoc and Dermacrine, or you can try to use the dermacrine with the P-Plex, but i think that would be too wet of a cycle, correct me someone if i am wrong...
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    havoc cause libido problems to someone too

    and i dont know "dermacrine"...
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    dermacrine to increase testosterone?
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    I wouldn't use Havoc if you are having libido issues. From my experience, Havoc will boost your libido in the first couple of weeks and then cause a steady decline in libido for the remainder of the cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10195079 View Post
    I wouldn't use Havoc if you are having libido issues. From my experience, Havoc will boost your libido in the first couple of weeks and then cause a steady decline in libido for the remainder of the cycle.
    True that. That's why i told him to use the Dermacrine with it...
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    i have on hands a product called "dyma stack"... is a andro mix product...

    PH complex:
    1-androstenedione-3 beta, 17 beta diol 50mg
    4-androstenedione 175mg
    5androstenediol 75mg

    dyma helps my libido to stay up??
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    adding more steroids to the mix will only cause more suppression and will probably add to the destruction of your libido
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    are you sure....
    andros convert to testo right?... testo enhance libido..
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    He is sure, i am sure. My friend, there is not much you can do to keep your libido on cycle, i think you have to choose from doing your cycle or keeping your libido...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    are you sure....
    andros convert to testo right?... testo enhance libido..
    sorry bro, but I'm not getting the impression that you really understand how your body and hormones are effected by there products...maybe you shouldn't play with these products until you understand them and their effects better!

    do more research
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    Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    sorry bro, but I'm not getting the impression that you really understand how your body and hormones are effected by there products...maybe you shouldn't play with these products until you understand them and their effects better!

    do more research
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    thanks guys.....im go running my phera-plex with tamoxifene 10/20mg ED

    tamoxifene lower the estrogen and stimulates the testosterone....lower the gains...but lower the water retention as well....

    i post my log after end.... mens.... thanks and apologize

    sorry for my english again!
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    I don't think the tomaxifene will keep your libido up...but do what you want
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    lets try
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    Nothing that we say is going to talk him out of it, even that we know the tamoxi is going to make his libido worse then better...
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    yes, these products are used to stimulate the HPTA...no where does it state that they should be used while on cycle. it states they are used for post cycle.
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    The only thing you could do for your issue is use Testosterone injections which would be what you would use if you had access and not PP or maybe you would use PP as a kickstart or maybe even a stack. My advice is get some Testosterone Propionate at say 75mg 3x a week at a minimum for say 5 weeks running the PP starting on week 2 so the Test has time to kick in and that cycle will not only help with your sex drive but also will result in much better gains for you. Now if you don't have access to Test then i'd say your **** out of luck cause SERM's although they boost Test they kill your sex drive as a side effect from the drug not its actions, hope you understand!!!

    I get an enhanced libido during PP cycles but then again I ran it at the end of a Test cycle but my libido was low when I added PP and then it came back but running just PP is different for sure. Maybe try some natty test boosters or perhaps try dealing with it cause it comes with the package though if you can get it, Proviron is a highly androgenic oral that can combat low Test levels effect on libido and other sides so get that if you can!!!Proviron
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    no side effects with proviron??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafael Brasil View Post
    no side effects with proviron??
    Proviron is a DHT derivative, and if you are prone to male pattern baldness, and high blood pressure, you might experience these symptoms with proviron use. Proviron is a hit or miss for use boosting libido on cycle. Works best with exogenous testosterone. I've had good success with DHEA, and HCG, for on cycle libido maintainance, just be sure to watch your estrogen!
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    i add proviron 1 week to cycle begins or not??

    week 1-25mg proviron every day
    week 2-25mg proviron every day- 20mg phera-bol every training day- 1 pack of andro stack every training day
    week 3-50mg proviron every day(if my libido is lower)-20mg phera bol every trainning day - 1 pack of andro stack every trainning day
    week 4- 50mg proviron every day(if my libido is lower)-20mg phera bol every trainning day - 1 pack of andro stack every trainning day
    week 5- 50mg proviron every day(if my libido is lower)-20mg phera bol every trainning day - 1 pack of andro stack every trainning day

    andro complex:PH complex:
    1-androstenedione-3 beta, 17 beta diol 50mg
    4-androstenedione 175mg
    5androstenediol 75mg

    (sorry for my english)
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    Phera has never caused a libido drop for me.
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    pheras destroyed my libido not loss
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    I know this is a month old but adding the andro stack may help with the libido because of the 4ad in it. This will obviously turn into test in the body. This is why people often take it with m1t.
    Taking dermacrine with p-plex is not a good idea as it will cause prolactin problems.
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    man....if you desire to maintain libido....take PROVIRON
    is the best, the safe and the effective...

    my libido stay high..

    thanks
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