Hey guys well the title is pretty self explanatory. I'm looking to put on another 7-10 (lean)lbs and avoid Ph's/Ds's that are know to irritate gyno, or cause bad shutdown. I have run one other cycle of Havoc and loved it though it did irritate my gyno. So I'm looking at these two and I'm ready to place my order HELP ME DECIDE PLEASE!!! You guys are the best thanks in advance bro's..............:clap2: