Has anyone here gotten Gyno from Halo Clones??
- 05-22-2008, 05:04 PM
Has anyone here gotten Gyno from Halo Clones??
Hello guys, I'm new to the forum so I'll give a quick run down of my situation..I had pubescent gyno, went away on it's own never bothered me again. 10+ years later I ran Havoc had a great cycle (loved it) gained after pct a solid 10lbs, but had a really bad flare-up while on. I was able to almost totally get rid of it during pct. Now I want to run another cycle and while I understand ALL AAS could cause gyno I have not seen any threads about Halodrol 50 (I'll be running H-drol) causing it. So is there anyone out there who has gotten Gyno from Halo?
And what do you guys think my best option for staying gyno free during cycle would be? Thanks in advance everyone....
- 05-22-2008, 05:12 PM
I just ran Clorodhrol-50 (Halo Clone) no signs of gyno.
- 05-22-2008, 05:17 PM
Always good to hear that brother. Are you prone to it though? Cause that's my problem and the reason I chose to run Havoc first but I still had issues with it.
05-22-2008, 05:23 PM
No, I dont know yet I that was my first cycle.
05-22-2008, 05:28 PM
You said it yourself, ALL AAS could result in gyno. Anything that plays on hormonal levels could result in an imbalance, which in turn could result in gyno. That being said, the Halodrol compound would be one of the safer candidates out there imo.
05-22-2008, 05:43 PM
Also if gyno is a problem is it OK to run a low dosed AI while on "dry" compounds? I'm just thinking about joint pain with that, cause my joint were pretty stiff with just the Havoc.
Thanks again guys.....
05-22-2008, 06:30 PM
05-22-2008, 07:50 PM
halo and it's clones cannot aromatize, the 4-chloro substituent prevents it
05-22-2008, 07:52 PM
Gyno is still possible nonetheless...
05-22-2008, 08:00 PM
05-22-2008, 08:29 PM
Cool cause like I said I got gyno from Havoc, I was running it at 40mgs ed for my first cycle though lol......so.....
05-22-2008, 11:35 PM
So then you shouldn't run a low dose AI while on a dry compound, or would it just not help either way and you'd be wasteing your money to try. Also, if it would be ok, would it lower your gains from the cycle? Thanks
05-23-2008, 01:33 PM
-Just a little bump for some more info about running a SERM on a "dry" cycle at a low dose....... anyone with info, feel free to write anything. been trying to research it, but not finding much. Thanks All
05-23-2008, 02:02 PM
Well I don't think I'd run a SERM while "on" but perhaps a low dose AI like form or 6oxo? Actually if you wanted to run something SERM "like" I guess you could run some PCS while on to help prevent shutdown. I've run it in pct and enjoyed it.
05-23-2008, 11:22 PM
You got gyno from havoc?
Did you stack it with anything? are you prone to gyno? did you notice it on cycle or in PCT? or after PCT?
What was your PCT for havoc?
sorry for all these questions, but please answer
You're scaring me, im plannin to run it 30 40 40 50.
05-24-2008, 12:36 AM
havoc gave me lumps also. mabey more like brought back from a long time ago. but im ok with halo and fuzadrol
05-24-2008, 10:12 AM
Thanks for the responses guys.
Cerberus: thanks man that's what I was hoping to hear I'm also considering running T-Roid (Tren). You have any experiance with that one?
Problem: I ran it alone at 20,30,30,40 had to cut it short but was planing on going to 50mgs for the last few days. Am I prone to gyno?, well it would appear that way Sucks!!
I assume you have your pct lined out because if I hadn't have had ALL my bases covered I'd have been Fcked!!
05-24-2008, 04:56 PM
05-24-2008, 05:03 PM
05-24-2008, 05:06 PM
I've been told by a few guyz on here that H-drol cannot aromatize due to it's structure, but my theory (and I'm no expert) if you have a high enough levels of test some of it will aromatize.
When I was running my Havoc cycle I was fine at the 30mgs ed, I had some puffiness in my nipps on that, but when I went to 40mgs I got the gyno about 2-3days latter so....that's my theory. If you keep the doses lower you'll be fine. I have another thread going Called "H-drol or T-Roid for my goals" and we're discussing the same theories there if you'd like to join us...
05-24-2008, 05:12 PM
05-24-2008, 09:20 PM
Black Sheep is right. just because it won't convert to estrogen is not 100% safe hormones in your body can convert if you mess with the balance.
Long time ago I did real tren and deca and both gave me lumps and lactation. I wont go near the new"trens" or any progestrone based stuff. some say epi is similar to the progestrones but took my chances.
05-24-2008, 10:28 PM
05-24-2008, 10:34 PM
Though that said Halo is probably the least likely PH/PS to give you gyno. It's not very androgenic at all. Much of it's results aren't from huge increases in Testosterone but more so due to how much it enhances protein synthesis thus helping the body be able to process higher amounts of protein. I definitely wouldn't run an AI with it if I were you. So many gyno cases happened as I said. Certain gear (like Superdrol) actually supresses estrogen levels A LOT. Then going into PCT some use ATD which is a potent AI and again estrogen levels are suppressed A LOT. Up to 98% with ATD which is way too much. As I mentioned above estro being suppressed this much for so long is when the wicked estrogen rebound happens, then gyno (usually delayed). Almost every case of Gyno I seen from Superdrol came from those who used an AI during PCT. Most who used SERM only didn't get it.
05-24-2008, 10:55 PM
Just finished CEL H-Drol then bridged to Xtreme Tren cycle. Tomorrow starts the 3rd week of PCT using AI's PCS; no gyno-type symptoms yet.
05-24-2008, 10:59 PM
05-24-2008, 11:43 PM
I think crushing your estrogen is a bad idea also. I don't think you should use ATD unless you are using something that is estrogenic or are having bad estrogen sides. and still oly use a little. I've used it to help 6oxo in the past but never over 25mgs ed or eod for a week. I've yet to try supperdrol, may not untill the delayed gyno stuff has been resolved.
05-25-2008, 12:00 AM
BTW I find that most people who are gyno prone (self included) are estro dominate and/or have high prolactin to start with. I front load my cycles with 300mg ED and 300mg P-5-P a week before. I taper down these as I taper up the ds/ph. If I get puffy nipples I increases/ go back on the P-5-P if I feel any soreness I up/ go back on the 6oxo. If I bloat like a balloon ( has happened on a compound that was ok before) I take ATD for 3 days. I do this incase the hormones in my body go out of whack then Iím one step ahead of the game.
Iím not saying do this just what works for me. If you try it make sure you donít get to dry and kill all of your estrogen or you may rebound hard.
05-25-2008, 06:12 PM
05-26-2008, 12:56 AM
No sides. I've heard of people doing 1000mgs safely. straight b6 will give you sides if ran too high. I am very sensitive to prolactin going to high so that is what i do. i stay at that dose for a week in to the cycle then i taper down to 100-150 unless my nipples get puffy. I know that is normal for most people but it can lead to lactation for me.
05-26-2008, 06:17 PM
I lactated after my Havoc run bro and the p-5-p cleared that sht up in about 4-5days at 100mgs. I was VERY happy to say the least!!!
10-07-2010, 04:42 PM
Dont mean to hi-jack, especially on first post, on a 2 year old thread.. but I figured I'd share my current situation since it's topic related.
I ran a 7wk cycle of H-Drol @ 75mg/day, (had to cut it a wk short due to sides..)
For my PCT, I started with 7 pumps of Forma-Stanzol twice daily, and was planning on doing that for 2 weeks, dropping it to 5 pumps twice daily for 2 weeks, and finishing off at 3 pumps twice daily for 2 weeks. For those not familiar, that's 140ml/day wk's 1-2, 100ml/day wk's 3-4, 60ml's/day wk's 5-6.
Recommended dosage for PCT is between 3-7 pumps twice daily, 10ml per pump.
I also added in DTH as a natty booster..
A week into my PCT everything is fine, feel great, testes dropping back to normal, no problems.
Now, for the past couple days, about 10 days into my PCT.. I've noticed some slight puffiness and sensitivity in and around my left nip. Definate difference between left and right.. I've been applying the Forma 1 squirt on each nip, 1 on my stomach, 1 on each shoulder, 1 on each arm.
Should I adjust the Forma dosage? Up the DTH? OR.. order some Letro ASAP?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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