Furazadrol stack (cutting cycle advice?)
- 05-05-2008, 02:48 PM
Furazadrol stack (cutting cycle advice?)
Well, itís that time of year againÖcutting, cutting, cutting. Actually, come to think of it, Iím always cutting. Oh wellÖ
Anyway, hereís what Iím planning on running for the month of July, just a nice, quick 4 weeker, which is a bit of a departure from my last few 6 - 8 week cycles.
I think it should make for a nice cut, but I always appreciate feedback, and I'm wondering if I don't need to dose so high, given the compounds I'm stacking.
Methoxy TRN 3mg daily
Furazadrol 200mg daily
Methoxy TRN 4.5mg
Methoxy TST 8mg
Napalm (w/ clen)
Methoxy TRN 4.5mg
Methoxy TST 8mg
Methoxy TRN 6mg
Methoxy TST 8mg
Napalm (w/ clen)
Week 1, 2
6-oxo (Trione) 300mg
Week 3, 4
6-oxo (Trione) 600mg
Naturally, Iíll be running milk thistle, hawthorn berry, b complex, multi, and drinking water like a fish. Training will involve cardio 5 days a week for 45 Ė 60 minutes and a three day split for weight training.
Whatíchaíall think?? Iím wondering if I really need to run furaz at 200mg for it to be effective in this stack. Iíve heard thatís the way to do it, but since Iím already running TRN alongside it (and TST at a high dose the last 3 weeks), I donít know. Anyone want to weigh in? I may also just stick to 4.5 mg on the TRN, given that I don't really want to experience the sides it's known for at that dose.
- 05-05-2008, 06:29 PM
- 05-05-2008, 06:51 PM
yea man chill with all the fatburners, be nice to your heart. diet will determine how you recomp not supps. ur stack looks good i would say just pick one of the fatburners, napalm ( cause its got clen u say ? ) would be the best.
05-05-2008, 08:51 PM
I've researched that part quite a bit. Just to clarify, Thyrocuts and Thyrotabs are not fat burners. They're two versions of T2 (3,5 and 3,3) known to work very synergistically, and neither is a stimulant. Napalm is a topical fat burner and even the version to which I've added clen exhibits no stim sides. The only actual fat burner is Venom Hyperdrive, and that is definitely a necessity for appetite control.
PHs don't burn fat. The ones I've selected are great cutters, but they're not going to burn any fat.
05-05-2008, 09:36 PM
It is your cycle do as you like IMO i would run no fatburners at all during a steriod cycle. If your looking to burn fat go with the burners and the other stuff but good luck however you go bro
05-05-2008, 11:23 PM
TRN is going to negatively impact your BP as it is. Do not add stims to the mix or you'll be asking for problems.
05-06-2008, 08:02 AM
I've run Venom with every cycle I've done over the past 2 years with no problems, including a cycle of TRN and prostanazol, and one of halodrol, TRN and winztrol stacked with T3. I never had any problems. My family has a history of high blood pressure (though thankfully I do not), but as a precaution, I already take blood pressure support year round (a mix of hawthorne berry, garlic, valerian root, red yeast and some other heart healthy goodies), and I have a home testing kit which I consult with at least three times a week (daily when on cycle), and my BP never goes beyond 125/80.
Again, I appreciate the input, but all the non-hormonal components are staying as is. What I'm particularly interested in is my question regarding dosages for the hormonal products.
05-06-2008, 08:08 AM
05-06-2008, 08:09 AM
Ph's, however, do not help you burn fat. None of them do. Some are better candidates for cutting cycles because they dry you out and harden the muscles (ie: all the zol clones, TRN and its clones, propadrol, furazadrol, etc.), but no ph is going to actually burn fat (unless you're referring to the fact that building muscle helps burn fat... but that's kind of a roundabout way of looking at it). I average 3 cycles a year, always cutting cycles, and always with stims to help burn fat and keep appetite down. I've always found it to be very effective, and safe if you do things properly.
I'm not trying to argue with you guys, I hope you understand, and again, I appreciate your taking the time to make suggestions. I'm just adding to the dialog from my own experiences.
05-06-2008, 10:29 AM
You should have put a disclaimer at the beginning that read:
I have done this before and know how my body reacts to these products used at the same time. No need for the concern.
Just kidding man. Good luck on your cycle. I'll likely be running one that is similar soon(sans the stims of course). BTW, I'd think that Nolva and Clomid would be more than adequate for PCT.
05-06-2008, 10:38 AM
Thank you. Yeah, you're going to run what, the TRN, TST and Furaz together? How are you planning on dosing?
I ask because in the past I dosed the TRN (GL's version) at 4mg, had no TST and ran the zol at 200-300mg. I've heard that 200-300 is also the sweet spot for furaz, but I don't know how necessary it'll be with 8mg of TST and 4.5 of TRN.
If it helps, I'm 5'11", 205lb. and probably around 15-16% at present, though as I said above, I've got a non-hormonal cut going right now that should prove effective at lowering that some by the time I start.
05-06-2008, 10:51 AM
Anyhow, Furazadrol is a nice addition to your cycle, b/c it helps to alleviate the prolactin related sides associated with TST/TRN. At your weight 200-250mg would likely be adequate for Furazadrol doing. The only thing I see being overkill is the inclusion of Trione during PCT. I'd probably wait to run it, after the Nolva/Clomid and just keep it at 300mg for that time. That's just me though, b/c many people would disagree with that suggestion as well.
05-06-2008, 11:08 AM
05-06-2008, 11:11 AM
05-06-2008, 11:17 AM
Aren't you worried about the same with the T-roid? That 19-nor is the same compound as tren-x, and I've read that the sides are the same as TRN's. As a matter of fact, on thesinner's ph profile sticky it says that.
05-06-2008, 11:22 AM
05-06-2008, 11:26 AM
05-06-2008, 11:28 AM
05-06-2008, 12:12 PM
05-06-2008, 05:09 PM
i think the PCT is a bit overkill either run the clomid for 100/50 with the nolva 40/40/20/20 or cut the trione and run it after the serms or start week 4 and stay low.
05-06-2008, 05:16 PM
Great discussion guys, I'm with Slow on holding off on a fat burner while on this ph cycle but as you've said it has worked in the past, let us know if you do you run it. I'd be interested in following along to see how things go.
05-11-2008, 08:50 PM
Hey TG how goes? How you liking the IGF-1? Are you bulking while on it? I wouldn't use it during a cut, could possibly be a waste, but definately could be a good addition to your PCT.
Are you going keto for this cut as well? It's the only way I can cut now...gets the cravings for carbs out of my system and makes it easier to diet. Whats your diet going to look like on this?
05-13-2008, 08:57 AM
Wasn't planning on doing keto. My usual diet is pretty tight. I usually do egg whites w/ veggies for breakfast (mushrooms, onions, green peppers, etc.), carrot and celery sticks mid-morning snack w/ green tea, lunch might be a tuna salad (w/ fat free miracle whip) on whole grain w/ a salad and a light n' fit yogurt, mid-afternoon apple, pre-workout protein shake, post protein shake, and dinner, which would usually be baked or grilled chicken or fish w/ steamed or roasted vegetables and a salad. On non-workout days I omit the second protein shake. What's your keto look like?
I've decided to change this cycle up. I'm thinking of keeping all the same, except the phs would be furazadrol 200mg e/d, and 11-oxo 300mg e/d.
Only problem is I'm still shut down from my last havoc cycle (finished pct last Monday). My original plan of starting in July would've given me the necessary time off in between, but I'm going to play it by ear and see how soon I bounce back. If anything, I may just wait until August or September. Just picked up some Diesel Test extreme, so hopefully that gets me back on track soon. F'n hate being shut down!
05-13-2008, 12:57 PM
Just go on forever! No more pct to worry about I'm about to go on TRT myself due to having low-normal baseline test and not being able to make it budge.
I'm not on a keto diet anymore, I've basically been allowing myself a lot of carbs and a lot of saturated fat recently. I don't want dieting to affect my next bloodwork that I'm going to do. BUT, when I was doing a keto diet, it was a lot of evoo, a lot of protein and a lot of animal fats, and maybe 2 salads a day. I probably wasn't getting enough veggies in, but I was eating a lot of spinach. It was pretty easy actually, took me 2 weeks to really get into keto though, I had to cut out BCAA's and stick with l-luceine instead for cardio.
05-13-2008, 01:42 PM
I need to read up more on the keto diet. From what you're describing, it sounds a lot like the way I normally eat (although my carbs have become a little more moderate recently, though still under 60g daily).
05-13-2008, 04:55 PM
I think the prostate exam is more for people on or starting TRT who are close to their forties. Either way, small inconvenience lol. My endo wanted to start me on gels/cream with no hcg. I said no. I'm now seeing a urologist in 1 week and going to talk to him about hcg/t-cyp/a-dex. I'm thinking of bi-weekly IM shots. I'm comfortable with pins.
Yeah it sounds like you wouldn't have much of a problem going keto if you tried...just need to drop those carbs down below 20 and up the fat intake a lot at first. I'm probably starting another keto diet in a few weeks.
05-13-2008, 05:38 PM
05-13-2008, 05:46 PM
cyp and enanthate are almost the same. I could probably get away with taking it once a week, but am going to aim for twice weekly to keep the levels normalized. If doing eod, I would look into sub-q injections with a slin pin.
05-14-2008, 07:37 AM
05-14-2008, 11:16 AM
No test-e only has a slight difference in the esterization. One additional chain or something like that, but where it comes to time release, they are about the same as each other, and the compound (test) is exactly the same in each.
TRT shouldn't cause water retention, not unless you're going superphysiological with your doses and create a reason for estrogen to shoot up. That's what the arimidex is for though..to balance things out if necessary.
Yeah I'm hoping I get things balanced out quickly and that the urologist is cool with t-cyp + a-dex. I know he's cool with hcg, but I don't think I can use hcg as a primary means of trt.
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