Poll: How much weight did you put on diring havoc?

Typical Results on HAVOC???!!!

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  1. Exclamation Typical Results on HAVOC???!!!


    Like how much mass and strength did you put on? :clean:

    how much body fat did you lose?

    Did you see a real visible change in the mirror?


  2. The majority of user feedback we've had puts the median average gains in the 8-12lb range.

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  3. I gained about 11lbs. on my last Havoc cycle.

    I didn't see any huge decrease in bodyfat but I did see my shoulders, arms and chest get a bit bigger.

    My bench went from doing 240 for five to 290 for four reps.

  4. I can't put the exact numbers down but a havoc pulse cycle and a M-drol pulse cycle put be from around 275 for 4 to 365 x 1...

  5. I agree with a good diet and training the around 11-15 lbs.
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  6. I'm on 4th week of E-MAX pulse (by juggernaut).
    Went up 20-30% on all my lifts, excellent increase in strength & size...shoulders, chest arms, vacularity are up huge. Seem a littel leaner...no gain in weight at all however lean body mass is definitely up! I believe I am trading muscle for fat. LOVE LOVE LOVE working out on the stuff...real sense of power & accomplishment in the gym. I'm sure by the end of my pulse people will know I am on something!!!

    Lucky!

  7. these numbers are pretty discouraging

    i just finished 8 weeks of jungle warfare and went from 141 to 158-161

  8. Quote Originally Posted by jnino View Post
    these numbers are pretty discouraging

    i just finished 8 weeks of jungle warfare and went from 141 to 158-161
    This post is pretty discouraging...

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Prometherion View Post
    This post is pretty discouraging...
    huh?

  10. so wow you guys have really been putting on strength on this sup hey!!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by jnino View Post
    huh?

    Steroids at 140lbs?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by jnino View Post
    these numbers are pretty discouraging

    i just finished 8 weeks of jungle warfare and went from 141 to 158-161

    25% increase in strenght so far on 4 th week of pulse, huge pumped up muscles, increased hardness. You find this discouraging?? It's not all about what you weight on the scale. Most people dosing will be leaning out & exchanging fat for LBM...I know that's what's happening for me so the scale doesn't seem to move but my clothes are tighter etc.

    No offence but if you weigh 158...how old are you or how tall are you. That's a nice increase in weight...hope it's real and you hang on to it!?

    Lucky

  13. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    I'm on 4th week of E-MAX pulse (by juggernaut).
    Went up 20-30% on all my lifts, excellent increase in strength & size...shoulders, chest arms, vacularity are up huge. Seem a littel leaner...no gain in weight at all however lean body mass is definitely up! I believe I am trading muscle for fat. LOVE LOVE LOVE working out on the stuff...real sense of power & accomplishment in the gym. I'm sure by the end of my pulse people will know I am on something!!!

    Lucky!
    Oh trust me bro...it happened to me...the secret was out without me speaking

  14. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    I'm on 4th week of E-MAX pulse (by juggernaut).
    Went up 20-30% on all my lifts, excellent increase in strength & size...shoulders, chest arms, vacularity are up huge. Seem a littel leaner...no gain in weight at all however lean body mass is definitely up! I believe I am trading muscle for fat. LOVE LOVE LOVE working out on the stuff...real sense of power & accomplishment in the gym. I'm sure by the end of my pulse people will know I am on something!!!

    Lucky!
    How many calories above or below maintenance did you eat at ?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    25% increase in strenght so far on 4 th week of pulse, huge pumped up muscles, increased hardness. You find this discouraging?? It's not all about what you weight on the scale. Most people dosing will be leaning out & exchanging fat for LBM...I know that's what's happening for me so the scale doesn't seem to move but my clothes are tighter etc.

    No offence but if you weigh 158...how old are you or how tall are you. That's a nice increase in weight...hope it's real and you hang on to it!?

    Lucky
    ive kept all of it and still gaining after 3 weeks

    im 5'6 and 16 yrs old. i know thats too young but its already done

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jnino View Post
    ive kept all of it and still gaining after 3 weeks

    im 5'6 and 16 yrs old. i know thats too young but its already done
    wow...no comment

  17. i personally think u should be 18+ for this with no questions, but hey.

    little disappointing on most people only get 5-10lbs gain...maybe thats people who are not so new to PS/PH! i think first time user will gain 10-15lbs... from what ive been reading around the net

    im starting my cycle in 10 days from today and i really hope for large strength gains!!!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by rocky025 View Post
    i personally think u should be 18+ for this with no questions, but hey.

    little disappointing on most people only get 5-10lbs gain...maybe thats people who are not so new to PS/PH! i think first time user will gain 10-15lbs... from what ive been reading around the net

    im starting my cycle in 10 days from today and i really hope for large strength gains!!!

    Its a STEROID SLY. You should be over 25 in my opinion.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by jnino View Post
    ive kept all of it and still gaining after 3 weeks

    im 5'6 and 16 yrs old. i know thats too young but its already done

    HO-LY Crap...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by n8te View Post
    HO-LY Crap...
    yeah...........I know...

  21. read more bud , too young, i can tell u from personal xp starting too young isnt worth it.

  22. I voted 5. Then saw the results. Then realized it wasn't 'lean mass'. Poor me.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by rocky025 View Post
    i personally think u should be 18+ for this with no questions, but hey.

    little disappointing on most people only get 5-10lbs gain...maybe thats people who are not so new to PS/PH! i think first time user will gain 10-15lbs... from what ive been reading around the net

    im starting my cycle in 10 days from today and i really hope for large strength gains!!!
    its only because i know that havoc is so much more stronger than jungle warfare

  24. I'm 4 weeks into an Epistain pulse & have only gained 2 lbs but my body has traded fat for muscle & I'm mostly lean.
    I'm much much bigger & leaner to the point where people have actually asked if I'm on steroids!!!!!

    Makes me wonder all these guys that claim the gained 10-15 lbs what exactly they gained? If I am one of the most musclular in my gym & only gained 2 lbs how can everone else gain so much? I have definitely gone thru re-comp but I would think most people in their 1st cycle would be going thru the same thing!!!

    Lucky

  25. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    I'm 4 weeks into an Epistain pulse & have only gained 2 lbs but my body has traded fat for muscle & I'm mostly lean.
    I'm much much bigger & leaner to the point where people have actually asked if I'm on steroids!!!!!

    Makes me wonder all these guys that claim the gained 10-15 lbs what exactly they gained? If I am one of the most musclular in my gym & only gained 2 lbs how can everone else gain so much? I have definitely gone thru re-comp but I would think most people in their 1st cycle would be going thru the same thing!!!

    Lucky
    no one gains 10lbs of muscle from an otc product in 4 weeks. if they did no one would buy real gear. i really believe that when someone is 'on' they tend to pay more attention to diet and planned training. i don't doubt the stuff works, but it's not what it's often portrayed as. i ran it at 30/day, so maybe it's a miracle steroid at 40+/day.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by faetfiada View Post
    no one gains 10lbs of muscle from an otc product in 4 weeks. if they did no one would buy real gear. i really believe that when someone is 'on' they tend to pay more attention to diet and planned training. i don't doubt the stuff works, but it's not what it's often portrayed as. i ran it at 30/day, so maybe it's a miracle steroid at 40+/day.

    40 mgs seems to be the sweet spot...I've been dosing all at once mainly pre workout. Going to start week 5 of my pulse next week & try spreading thruout the day. Starting to feel like I have plateaud on the stuff!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    I'm 4 weeks into an Epistain pulse & have only gained 2 lbs but my body has traded fat for muscle & I'm mostly lean.
    I'm much much bigger & leaner to the point where people have actually asked if I'm on steroids!!!!!

    Makes me wonder all these guys that claim the gained 10-15 lbs what exactly they gained? If I am one of the most musclular in my gym & only gained 2 lbs how can everone else gain so much? I have definitely gone thru re-comp but I would think most people in their 1st cycle would be going thru the same thing!!!

    Lucky

    probably because youre more experienced.

    all the weight i gained wasnt all muscle either but my bf% did go down

  28. Quote Originally Posted by luclyluciano View Post
    40 mgs seems to be the sweet spot...I've been dosing all at once mainly pre workout. Going to start week 5 of my pulse next week & try spreading thruout the day. Starting to feel like I have plateaud on the stuff!
    i've heard sides can get wild around 40 too.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by faetfiada View Post
    i've heard sides can get wild around 40 too.
    I've taken 50 mgs but found it to be a waste. No serious noticeable sides at 20, 30, 40, or 50 mgs. Little bit of shutdown but easliy fixed with Advanced PCT on off days when pulsing. Mild Mild headaches here & there but nothing terrible. Can't imagine what kind of wild sides you heard about...Epistane & Havoc are very very mild.

  30. i did 5 weeks of epi, didnt gain crap, lost 4 pounds, but thats alright i was using it in a cut....but i still feel it was pretty useless, didnt gain any strength till the cycle was over..lol
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