Trenadrol/??? in July

[fogie13]

Hey guys, I'm looking to put on the strength with this stack yes, but also i'm looking for good clean size now, with NO fat gain. Sorry but it's soon going to be july and i've got my wife-beaters to think about. I'm always relatively lean and I'd like to keep it that way but i intend to eat it up more than usual, minimize cardio a bit, and really try to put the muscle on. Diet will be strict but the cals will be higher than i'm used to...more clean carbs specifically. Currently on a moderate carb diet btw. NO fat burners while on this cycle other than Lean Green. I'll be monitoring my weight and bf tediously to make sure no fat accumulates...
...Problem is I've got all 3 ph's on me and i'm not sure which stack to go with. Any information on previous experiance with either of the two stacks would be appreciated, and also please elaborate which you think will best help achieve my goals the most efficiently.
It'll be a 42 day cycle, support supps are inline as is the PCt. I've never used a SERM before so if you think i should use a SERM for this one, or have in fact used a SERM yourself with either of these stacks, please elaborate on your experiances with explanations. On a cut right now so that my foundation when i begin in july is all for potential clean growth.

Here's my Stats:
5'8"
~154 come july
6-8% BF come July
Previous ph experiances:
bold200/epistane/h-drol/winadrol for 12 weeks
trenadrol for 8 wks
h-drol/winztrol
Original Haladrol 50/Winztrol
Lifting for 5 years
Age: 26

F.

 

[Condition1]

Hey guys, I'm looking to put on the strength with this stack yes, but also i'm looking for good clean size now, with NO fat gain. Sorry but it's soon going to be july and i've got my wife-beaters to think about. I'm always relatively lean and I'd like to keep it that way but i intend to eat it up more than usual, minimize cardio a bit, and really try to put the muscle on. Diet will be strict but the cals will be higher than i'm used to...more clean carbs specifically. Currently on a moderate carb diet btw. NO fat burners while on this cycle other than Lean Green. I'll be monitoring my weight and bf tediously to make sure no fat accumulates...
...Problem is I've got all 3 ph's on me and i'm not sure which stack to go with. Any information on previous experiance with either of the two stacks would be appreciated, and also please elaborate which you think will best help achieve my goals the most efficiently.
It'll be a 42 day cycle, support supps are inline as is the PCt. I've never used a SERM before so if you think i should use a SERM for this one, or have in fact used a SERM yourself with either of these stacks, please elaborate on your experiances with explanations. On a cut right now so that my foundation when i begin in july is all for potential clean growth.

Here's my Stats:
5'8"
~154 come july
6-8% BF come July
Previous ph experiances:
bold200/epistane/h-drol/winadrol for 12 weeks
trenadrol for 8 wks
h-drol/winztrol
Original Haladrol 50/Winztrol
Lifting for 5 years
Age: 26

F.

What do you mean come July? What are your current stats?

Did you run Bold/epi/H-drol/winadrol as a 12 week stack, bridge or what?? That's quite the stack....

How was your solo run of Trenadrol?

If you're looking to run something for 6 weeks your best bet is probably H-drol as it's been shown to be fairly mild and the best effects are noted after the 4th week. With the fast rate that trenadrol is supposed to kick in at this might be the perfect compliment.

 

[fogie13]

currently at 161 lbs, presuming 13-15 % BF..."July" meaning i'm not going to run this stack until July...maybe late June if i feel impatient...for 2 reasons:
1. Time off from my last ph run which was the Bold/epi/h-drol/winadrol. Epi 30 mg/day for 30 days, then hdrol 50 mg/day for 42 days i think it was, with the winadrol at 200mg/day bridged into weeks 5 and 6 of the h-drol, then 2 weeks of winadrol alone; Bold ran throughout the whole time at 600mg/day. Terribly beautiful strength gain on this, leaned out to around 7.5-8.5%. Some size but then again it was a moderate carb diet most of the time....anyway i digress
2. I want to be around 6% when i do the cycle in july so that i have no worries about trying to get leaner, just let the ph's do what they're supposed to do and if i rip up more than all the better u know? I'm presuming that by july i'll be at my leanest.

Trenadrol solo was interesting. Interfered with sleep a bit, my body heated up too. Blood pressure was noticebly higher though exactly by how much i can't honestly recall. Strength gains were nice, but suffered from dry joints in the morning. Unitl i drank water and got my day underway the dryness was audible! So due to that i didn't test my strength potential as liberaly as i reckon i could have. but the strength gain was fun non the less. Leaned out a bit, appetite was crippling at times especially after 4 weeks of a strict diet. Fun ph. No sides except some testicular atrophy which cleared up by the end of my pct.

I'm leaning more towards the h-drol myself, but there's so much positive feedback for Havoc, and i've only done and epistane like ph once as compared to my 3x h-drol use. add to this that there's Spawn which warrants its astronomical price to it's combining of xtreme tren and epistane, though its' directions and such seem a bit dubious but that's not the point i suppose. So as you see the question is still in the air.

 

[Condition1]

In your case I would go with Havoc. Considering the most recent of the two you ran was H-drol and you've already ran it 3x before, you're probably going to see better results with Havoc in this case.

I don't like the idea of spawn so much as you can't play with the dosages.

 

[fogie13]

^^bump

You know what's absolutely amazing is i know dozens upon dozens of members (i'll post names of whom if i like) who've run one of these stacks and yet no ones got the grapes to say anything on this thread...Absolutely wonderful how you help a brotha out here. Keep up the work. its mounds of knowledge you've got mounting here, i've hardly the digestive tract to digest it all.

i appreciate your input Condition 1. How would you, if givin my circumstance, dose the havoc? keep it at 30 mg/day or increase to 40 by the last week? Never have i gone to a higher than recommended dosage for a ph being that i'm not the biggest guy in the gym but since i've the experiance to do so, maybe i should...or maybe i should not...what do you think?

 

[nosnmiveins]

u could run Havoc 20/30/30/40 for some good gains

 

[Condition1]

u could run Havoc 20/30/30/40 for some good gains

This is what I would run. I'm about your size and having done less cycles.

 

[GuitarHero]

^^bump

You know what's absolutely amazing is i know dozens upon dozens of members (i'll post names of whom if i like) who've run one of these stacks and yet no ones got the grapes to say anything on this thread...Absolutely wonderful how you help a brotha out here. Keep up the work. its mounds of knowledge you've got mounting here, i've hardly the digestive tract to digest it all.

i appreciate your input Condition 1. How would you, if givin my circumstance, dose the havoc? keep it at 30 mg/day or increase to 40 by the last week? Never have i gone to a higher than recommended dosage for a ph being that i'm not the biggest guy in the gym but since i've the experiance to do so, maybe i should...or maybe i should not...what do you think?

I'm around the same size as you, but a couple inches taller. I ran Havoc solo last summer at 20/30/30/40. I thought I had a pretty good run with it, I Gained about 12 pounds, diet wasn't as clean as it could've been so I added a bit of fat w/ it. I only experienced minor shedding and picked up some tendon pain in my elbow. My strength went Waaaaaaaaaaaaay up on it. You could probably do something like the 20/30/30/40 that has already been mentioned and see some nice results.

I used Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolva), Cycle Support, Retain, and DHEA for my PCT. My HPTA seemingly recovered like clockwork on the Nolva. I'm trying Toremifene for my next run due to the lesser hepatoxicity. I'd probably go with a SERM if I were you to help ensure a smooth and speedy HPTA recovery. If nothing else, at least maybe some Post Cycle Support or something with Resveratrol.

 

[fogie13]

I'm around the same size as you, but a couple inches taller. I ran Havoc solo last summer at 20/30/30/40. I thought I had a pretty good run with it, I Gained about 12 pounds, diet wasn't as clean as it could've been so I added a bit of fat w/ it. I only experienced minor shedding and picked up some tendon pain in my elbow. My strength went Waaaaaaaaaaaaay up on it. You could probably do something like the 20/30/30/40 that has already been mentioned and see some nice results.

I used Tamoxifen Citrate (Nolva), Cycle Support, Retain, and DHEA for my PCT. My HPTA seemingly recovered like clockwork on the Nolva. I'm trying Toremifene for my next run due to the lesser hepatoxicity. I'd probably go with a SERM if I were you to help ensure a smooth and speedy HPTA recovery. If nothing else, at least maybe some Post Cycle Support or something with Resveratrol.

Where ru getting your toremifene from? A while back looked around and couldn't find a place who had it.

Alot of people going with Havoc here huh? And solo...maybe i'll hold off on my trenadrol/h-drol for the fall or winter. My whole reasoning for the trenadrol/h-drol though was to test out the type I type II idea.

Anyone on here whose run trenadrol/h-drol chime in any time.
Even havoc/trenadrol chime in any time.

 

[Condition1]

Personally I think H-drol/ Trenadrol would be a great stack for strength and solid lean gains. A bit dry so joint support is a must IMO.

However, you ought to mix things up a bit before running H-drol again.

 

[fogie13]

Personally I think H-drol/ Trenadrol would be a great stack for strength and solid lean gains. A bit dry so joint support is a must IMO.

However, you ought to mix things up a bit before running H-drol again.

I agree with you on this. Here's my reservation though: During my last run i had epi all the way at the beginning of the 12 wks...30 days at 30 mg/day... and i didn't get as much stregnth from it as i thought i would. I did get some, and my stamina was amazing, but i thought i'd have gotten more from it... add to this that once i started on the H-drol the strength wasted no time taking off. Granted that was epistane, not havoc, and not to bash on IBE but i've read some controversial and sometimes very specifically targetted arguments over the whole "what's the better epistane product". And always havoc comes on top but before i came to realize this i fell in with the IBE epistane hype, and that porn worthy green bottle was just so sexy.

What do you think of having a trenadrol/havoc run. It's been a while since i ran trenadrol, about a year. If i do decided on this kind of ph stack i'd have to research more on the progestin/progestin combination of the two and how that differs from the so easy to manage, research, and supplement for stack where h-drol is involved.

Again though, where ru looking for your torem? pm me if that's alright.


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[Condition1]

Trenadrol/H-drol is what i've been planning for a bit coincidently, I think it would be a great stack. Been loading up on fish oil and joint support for the dry run.

I don't know if you're going to get the full potential out of your cycle if you run H-drol again, Trenadrol/Havoc (or Epistane) sounds promising for strength and some good size.

 

[fogie13]

Trenadrol/H-drol is what i've been planning for a bit coincidently, I think it would be a great stack. Been loading up on fish oil and joint support for the dry run.

I don't know if you're going to get the full potential out of your cycle if you run H-drol again, Trenadrol/Havoc (or Epistane) sounds promising for strength and some good size.

I think you're right Condition1, just such a pity since i've had my mind set on that h-drol/trenadrol stack for quite sometime. However it makes sense to stay away form the h-drol for a bit, try out an epi product again and see what the deal really is with Havoc.

BTW thankyou very much for the pm info bro:cheers:, you're doing me good with all the info and direction you've supplied. I've yet to take a deep look at the log but i'll be on that soon enough...interesting idea he's got goin eh? Maybe thats another route to consider being as i have plenty of time left to decide.

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[Condition1]

I think you're right Condition1, just such a pity since i've had my mind set on that h-drol/trenadrol stack for quite sometime. However it makes sense to stay away form the h-drol for a bit, try out an epi product again and see what the deal really is with Havoc.

BTW thankyou very much for the pm info bro:cheers:, you're doing me good with all the info and direction you've supplied. I've yet to take a deep look at the log but i'll be on that soon enough...interesting idea he's got goin eh? Maybe thats another route to consider being as i have plenty of time left to decide.

F.

Yes i'm very impressed with his log. I thought about running both compounds since Revolt can be gyno prone and Epi combats that a bit, but I wasn't sure. His log sealed the deal for a future cycle I was considering, it couldn't have come at a better time. :woohoo:

 

[erbzzz]

I'm running epi and trenadrol right now. Today is the first day I noticed my bloodpressure being higher. I'm on day 5 at 20mg epi and 60mg trenadrol. Strength is already up and today is monday and I already feel less sore than I usually do on a monday. I don't know how intense this will get in the later weeks as I've never ran either of these but if the start is anything to base it off I'm going to be one pissed off strong MFer by the end. :rant: And PM me and I'll give my e-mail if you need more info on SERMs.

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

So, 4 previous cycles.. Hmm, what was pct like after those?

 

[fogie13]

So, 4 previous cycles.. Hmm, what was pct like after those?

Never used a SERM..first time used retain/6 0xo and support supps, second time used AX's PCT Support/retain (kinda crappy...libido went down but gains were kept for the most part), next two times was the SNS pct stack of reduce xt/inhibit e and hypertest.

 

[DeathDealer]

I ran a previous cycle of Havoc solo at 30/30/40/40 and gained about 17 lbs. Unlike most others, it hit me hard and fast in the first two weeks, then kind of tapered off in gains, although the pumps continued to increase in intensity.

Right now I'm starting my 4th week of H-Drol/Trenadrol running it:
H-Drol: 75/75/75/75/100/100
Trenadrol: 60/60/60/90/90/90

I will say that Havoc was much more potent than H-Drol, but I also felt a little yucky on it.

I feel much better on this cycle, and the gains have been slower, but steadier. Instead of tapering off after 2 weeks, the gains continue at a steady, constant rate. I've gone from 225 to 245 so far. Strength has been really good, size has been really good. I haven't leaned out, but I haven't really fattened up either.

Trenadrol has its sides: night sweats (yep, I have to turn my pillow over a few times a night because it's damp), vivid dreams (man i love these! I've been having the craziest, coolest dreams and I don't want to wake up. I want to keep taking Trenadrol just for the dreams!), anger(not for me, i've felt mellow, although I had a few outbursts when I ran Havoc), strength (yep, i go up 10-20lbs on each lift each week, I could probably go more. Constant increase in strength)

I'll finish these last three weeks and let you know how it goes. I have really liked this cycle. I might try Trenadrol/Havoc in the future and compare it to this cycle.

 

[mishag23]

Hi im a newbie to this site ive been bodybuilding for 2 years im 21 yers of age, i would like to do a halobolan and trenadrol cycle for 5 weeks.
Ill use milk thistle etc.
Can I use this for PCT, and how would i start this properly?
Restore
Blue up
creatine

I have SERM novadex20mg each tablet, but im hoping i wont need it.

Appreciate any help
Thanks