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    should i add arginine with my epistane cycle

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    robdog, can you elaborate on that? what's your reason? why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DormantFiber View Post
    robdog, can you elaborate on that? what's your reason? why not?
    The Epi yields good increases in pumps and vascularity by itself. Arginine wouldnt hurt, but it would be a waste, IMO. Save it for pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robdog View Post
    The Epi yields good increases in pumps and vascularity by itself. Arginine wouldnt hurt, but it would be a waste, IMO. Save it for pct.
    save what? a $10 bottle of arginine?

    ABSOLUTELY use the arginine on the cycle, if for no other reason than the GH increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    save what? a $10 bottle of arginine?

    ABSOLUTELY use the arginine on the cycle, if for no other reason than the GH increase.

    GH release comes on in the 10+g dose range. Start at lower doses and assess for sides.

    Do NOT take if you get cold sores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    GH release comes on in the 10+g dose range. Start at lower doses and assess for sides.

    Do NOT take if you get cold sores.
    this clinical study disagrees with you:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Integrated area under the curve was not different with 13 g (197.8+/-65.7 min microg/L), yet it increased with 5 and 9 g compared with the placebo (301.5+/-74.6, 524.28+/-82.9 and 186.04+/-47.8 min microg/L, respectively, P<0.05). Mean peak GH levels were 2.9+/-0.69, 3.9+/-0.85, 6.4+/-1.3 and 4.73+/-1.27 microg/L on each day for the placebo, 5, 9 and 13 g days. CONCLUSION: In conclusion, 5 and 9 g of oral arginine caused a significant GH response.
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    the reason i asked is b/c i'm running epi on a pulse cycle and i take arginine pre and post w/o

    i did not know it takes 10+g dose range for GH release, that seems like a lot, i usually take 5g at a time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    this clinical study disagrees with you:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

    Integrated area under the curve was not different with 13 g (197.8+/-65.7 min microg/L), yet it increased with 5 and 9 g compared with the placebo (301.5+/-74.6, 524.28+/-82.9 and 186.04+/-47.8 min microg/L, respectively, P<0.05). Mean peak GH levels were 2.9+/-0.69, 3.9+/-0.85, 6.4+/-1.3 and 4.73+/-1.27 microg/L on each day for the placebo, 5, 9 and 13 g days. CONCLUSION: In conclusion, 5 and 9 g of oral arginine caused a significant GH response.

    That was study was done on 8 people. Not saying its invalid, but its not a very large sample.

    Several other studies suggest 10-30g dosages are optimal. I would not recommend 30g to anyone though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    That was study was done on 8 people. Not saying its invalid, but its not a very large sample.

    Several other studies suggest 10-30g dosages are optimal. I would not recommend 30g to anyone though.
    do you have a link to one or more of those studies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SOLARUS View Post
    do you have a link to one or more of those studies?
    I see if I can dig them up. It's been a while since I read them and being sensitive to arginine I use bulk powerfull / L-Dopa for gh release instead.
  

  
 

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