shimshadee
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should i add arginine with my epistane cycle
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shimshadee
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thanks bro!!
Delta Force
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robdog, can you elaborate on that? what's your reason? why not?
robdog
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The Epi yields good increases in pumps and vascularity by itself. Arginine wouldnt hurt, but it would be a waste, IMO. Save it for pct.
SOLARUS
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save what? a $10 bottle of arginine?
ABSOLUTELY use the arginine on the cycle, if for no other reason than the GH increase.
Xodus
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GH release comes on in the 10+g dose range. Start at lower doses and assess for sides.
Do NOT take if you get cold sores.
SOLARUS
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this clinical study disagrees with you:
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Integrated area under the curve was not different with 13 g (197.8+/-65.7 min microg/L), yet it increased with 5 and 9 g compared with the placebo (301.5+/-74.6, 524.28+/-82.9 and 186.04+/-47.8 min microg/L, respectively, P<0.05). Mean peak GH levels were 2.9+/-0.69, 3.9+/-0.85, 6.4+/-1.3 and 4.73+/-1.27 microg/L on each day for the placebo, 5, 9 and 13 g days. CONCLUSION: In conclusion, 5 and 9 g of oral arginine caused a significant GH response.
Delta Force
PES Rep
the reason i asked is b/c i'm running epi on a pulse cycle and i take arginine pre and post w/o
i did not know it takes 10+g dose range for GH release, that seems like a lot, i usually take 5g at a time.
i did not know it takes 10+g dose range for GH release, that seems like a lot, i usually take 5g at a time.
Xodus
Well-known member
That was study was done on 8 people. Not saying its invalid, but its not a very large sample.
Several other studies suggest 10-30g dosages are optimal. I would not recommend 30g to anyone though.
SOLARUS
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do you have a link to one or more of those studies?
Xodus
Well-known member
I see if I can dig them up. It's been a while since I read them and being sensitive to arginine I use bulk powerfull / L-Dopa for gh release instead.