Am I missing something?
they are so damn shady why even bother with them
If you look on any website selling it, then it doesn't mention anything 'methyl' on the ingredients label.
I was just looking at my bottle and I saw this:
I was going to say well maybe thats cause it isn't.Looks like it obvisouly is though.You gona use it?17-HD doesn't mention that it's methylated either.
I'll eventually get around to stacking it with Epi. I've heard of people stack the two since they're both very mild, yet so effective. I've also seen a lot of people stack Epi and Fura.
I just think it's funny how NP or any other online retailer selling JW doesn't advertise it as being methylated, but the label clearly states that.
I just took the above pic.
Plz see below:
...here's a thread about this too: Jungle Warfare - What is ALRI doing?Originally Posted by Author L. Rea
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
Yeah,I remember seeing on a discussion board how 17 HD was methylated.But the adds don't say anything about it.Then a guy was telling me how it's actually good for you cause of certain things it does.So I was thinking maybe it's not and I misheard/misremembered.But yes,it is.Supp companies are shady for the most part.I still believe CEL's is the most straight forward upstanding trustable company considering they only sell designers.My m-drol bottle says;
"M-drol is a pro anabolic clone.due to it's potent nature,M-drol is not a suitable option for a first pro anabolic cycle.First time pro anabolic users may want to consider P-plex or H-drol.Agter finishing M-drol,it is important to be familiar with and do proper Post Cycle Therapy."
Thats the most informative info on a designer bottle i've ever seen!
imo staythe **** away from JW. it gave me NO gains, terrible headaches, bad libido crash, bad joints, and hair loss... not to mention GI discomphort and bizzare ass dreams.
FYI: just because something is methylated it does not mean it is liver unfriendly.
The methyl combined with the anabolic:androgenic ratio is what determines the liver toxicity associated with these compounds.
Jungle Warfare is allegedly an aromatase inhibitor. Ok, so differentiating from an androgen, this would not exhibit liver toxicity to a substantial degree as a bonefide anabolic would.
I'm not sure what they are writing up but on any product: 17a
typically indicates that there is a methyl there. The ADED nomenclature that said something like 17 alkayl or whatever the f-ck it said, would indicate something is also going on on the 17th carbon. Most likely a methyl as I see no other reason to toy with it like that.
In regards to Jungle Warfare, I have a red bottle I have not yet used. I am on the border of selling it for piss cheap due to the shady tactics used by ALRI.
The ingredients were brought into question almost a year ago, and people are still scratching their heads about WTF is really going on with the product.
So i'm guessing 17-HD is not too bad either.The guy was saying thats what he uses when he's cutting cause it makes cardio so much easier.He was also saying it's good for you cause it increases oxygen uptake and # of certain blood cells(prob red) and other good things.He was also saying they have had it for x amount of years,and it's still one of his favorites.I was thinking I prob wont mess with it cause of the methyls I have already used and will be using.Your avi made me laugh reaper!
I'm not even sure what 17-HD is. I know it is some herb they try to make sound like a steroid.
If that it the case, there should not be any reason why this is liver toxic if the herb does not actually offer any anabolic activity. This is kinda the same thing with ALRI's Pro-Anabol which is methylated Ecdysterone.
I have yet to try 17-HD and Fenugreek and I think I probably will try both next time I order supplements.
What 17-HD and Fenugreek is everyone taking ? I was thinking about ordering the IDS's Testofen and 17-HD to try out.
Also another thing to note:
Just because something is unmethylated does not mean it is not toxic. For example, if you take Furazadrol or Prostanozol, well typically people take those compounds in the 300mg area. Fair high doses. When I took Furazadrol, I just stuck to 150mg (which is 3 capsules recommended on the bottle) and blended the compound in oil for better uptake.
Ok, so let's think about Superdrol and Phera-Plex. Superdrol has good potentcy @ 10mg. Phera-Plex (DMT) does as well at 10-15mg. My friend only uses 15mg maximum and gets good results. These are effective at such low doses due to the methylation that allows them to pass through the liver without being destroyed.
Back to Prostanozol and Furazadrol, well when you ingest 300mg+ of this, you are not getting 300mg+ in your blood stream due to 'losses' of the compound. You can easily come to the conclusion that these losses are occuring in the liver, during the 'first pass'. Where else would the compound get lost (deactivated) ?
It is not that the compound losses are not harmful at all.
Really people who take mega amounts of non-methyls should just stick to methyls because it is all relative. In the same respect, if you do not want to take methyls and take LOW DOSES of non-methyls then your results will probably not be as great.
So how do you address both these issues ? Injectables.
It seems vyotech's 17-HD is the better option.I used ids's and felt great the first day,the first time.It tells you to take it twice a day.After the first time,I never felt anything.I think it's a mix of herbs.Suposively one is close to a designer.It's suposively lacking one thing.
Ok, I see nutra sells Vyotech 17-HD. I'll try it sometime.
I did use the IDS version though.. But, they're supposed to be the same. Oh, and I believe that it works best on an empty stomach, in fact, I'm nearly certain.