JW isn't advertised as containing a methyl. Wtf?

[pantera101]

Did you change your avi again reaper?Or is that the same one?It makes me laugh everytime!

[slow-mun]

This is just my own personal opinion:


If you are going to use Jungle Warfare, you might as well just run H-Drol instead. They will probably do equal damage to your body (just my own guess), but you'll come out ahead more with H-Drol and at least you know what is in H-Drol.


From general feedback, JW seems like sides in a bottle (not to mention more expensive than H-Drol).

I'd like to echo that opinion. Some of their products are great, but this is one that I will never touch again. You are better off finding something else to use. The first version was good, but not enough to go through any amount of trouble trying to procure one.

[ReaperX]

Uh, its slightly different, but the 'man on man' concept from Brokeback Mountain is still there.


It appears that making any types of gains from Jungle Warfare is a stretch vs. H-Drol. Not worth it, IMO.

[sogone2day]

Before jw
Lipid Battery

Triglyceride .75 mmol/L

Cholesterol 2.61

HDL .89 [>.90] WAS A BIT LOWER THAN NORMAL

LDL 1.38

Total Chol/HDL ratio 2.9


Electrolytes
Sodium 139
Potassium 4.0
Chloride 102
Total Co2 28
Anion Gap 9


Bilirubin total 42 umol/L [<20] I'm high on this one


Test Am 18.8 nmol/L

Estraidol 165 pmol/L

TSH 1.87 mU/L


Alkaline Phospates 80
Alt 22
Ast 20

Creatinine 103
calculated GFR >60


After JW

alkaline phosphatase 85

alt 26

ast 29

creatinine 102
calculated gfr >60


cholesterol 2.81


triglycerides .47

hdl .82 dropped a few points


ldl 1.78


Bilirubin 22
went down a lot not sure whats up here i think maybe melanotanII might be a cause of the high beginning

Testosterone am 21.6 up from 18.8 few points

Estradiol 135 down 30

[ReaperX]

Unless this is some type of new system, I don't really understand your blood results.

HDL/LDL/Total Cholesterol should be in whole numbers.

My most recent blood work shows my

Cholsterol=142
Triglycerides=37

[ReaperX]

I'm not understanding your results at all, unless you are throwing in decimal points where they should not be.

This is what my first page metabolic panel looks like


Glucose: 94
BUN: 14
Creatinine: 1.0
Sodium:143
Potassium: 4.2
Chloride: 105
CO2: 32 (high)
Anion Gap: 10
Calcium: 9.2
Total Bilirubin: 0.4
Alk Phosphatase: 57
SGOT (AST): 25
SPGT (ALT): 36
Total Protein: 6.9
Albumin: 4.6
Globulin: 2.3 (low)
Alb/Glob ratio: 2.0
GFR=102

Cholesterol: 142
Triglycerides: 37


I have more tests done, but you get the idea.

My blood work looks vastly different from yours.

[sogone2day]

no thats how they came from the doctor not sure and were in mmol/L and such whatever also the tests were here in canada so i dunno if that makes a difference

[ReaperX]

Ok yeah, that makes sense.

My markers were measured differently than yours.

I think the majority of them were measured in: g/dL or mg/dL.

[ReaperX]

Ok, so in mg/dL units here are your results:

Trigylcerides

.75 mmol/L= 13.5 mg/dL-old
.47 mmol/L= 8.459 mg/dL-new


Cholesterol

46.98 mg/dL-old
50.58 mg/dL-new



I am pretty sure I am converting these right.


Based off of what my health markers show:

Normal Cholesterol: 120-199 mg/dL
Triglycerides: 0-150 mg/dL



I guess your triglycerides are within normal range. Your cholesterol is insanely low.


Do you have low testosterone ? I haven't seen cholesterol that low before. Mine falls in at 142 mg/dL.


I don't really understand your lipid levels. I must be reading this wrong, or somehow not converting properly.


Your testosterone increase from JW might have been a direct result from a higher level of cholesterol.

[ReaperX]

http://health.howstuffworks.com/chol....htm/printable

[sogone2day]

http://heart.kumu.org/cholcomp.html

according to that my cholesterol is about
before 100
after 108


http://heart.kumu.org/triglcomp.html

triglycerides

before 62
after 39

[ReaperX]

I'm still wondering more about what exactly Jungle Warfare is doing to your cholesterol. Driver Dan also had a low cholesterol level as well.


Also, Driver Dan's HDL(good cholesterol) is on the lower end and his LDL (bad cholesterol) is on the higher end. Even if he does not have pre-jungle warfare blood work, it is probably safe to assume that Jungle Warfare damages lipid levels (no surprise)

Your cholesterol from using JW was still low. DriverDan's cholesterol is like 98 or something which was also low as well.

I'm glad that both you guys got test, liver, lipid panels.


most ppl get bloodwork only for their liver after a superdrol cycle...which is kinda useless.

It does not appear that anyone even thought about this. They just kept looking at 'liver enzymes'.


I'm not sure about the rest of the bloodwork. It all got deleted.

Thanks for your contributions sogone2day. reps.

[sogone2day]

no problem thanks

[DriverDan]

I'm still wondering more about what exactly Jungle Warfare is doing to your cholesterol. Driver Dan also had a low cholesterol level as well.

Also, Driver Dan's HDL(good cholesterol) is on the lower end and his LDL (bad cholesterol) is on the higher end.

My LDL wasn't high. My total cholesterol was low so how could LDL be high? The ratio of LDL to HDL may be considered high but with the overall amount so low it doesn't matter much.

Even if he does not have pre-jungle warfare blood work, it is probably safe to assume that Jungle Warfare damages lipid levels (no surprise)

Sorry but you can't make assumptions about that. For all we know it improved my cholesterol. The only assumption you can make from my blood tests is that JW does NOT increase test to high levels. Mine was quite low afterwards. I still had good results so it functions through a method other than increasing test.

[Chub]

anyone tried stacking JW with Activate Extreme? or taking AX after finishing jw? I've got a bottle of both sitting waiting. Think i'll have a search around first see what i can find. Don't want to go wasting them!

[sogone2day]

i took JW and followed it up with a 6bromo product cissus-drol generic labz.

[ReaperX]

yeah you're right driver dan. i must have been thinking about something else. not sure why your cholesterol was so low though. Your LDL is low, but your HDL is as well. makes sense.

[DriverDan]

yeah you're right driver dan. i must have been thinking about something else. not sure why your cholesterol was so low though. Your LDL is low, but your HDL is as well. makes sense.

I have very little cholesterol in my diet. The only notable sources are eggs, cheese, and protein powder. I very rarely eat red meat.

[LilPsychotic]

If you look on any website selling it, then it doesn't mention anything 'methyl' on the ingredients label.

I was just looking at my bottle and I saw this:

'17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4, 6-dien-3-one-17-ol'

Its methylated ADT. It does not equate to a 17aa AAS.