JW isn't advertised as containing a methyl. Wtf?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    I'm pointing out the fact that its basically a worthless supplement and did so by posting an article by one of the formulators at MAN. If you think its a good supplement then more power to ya. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, b/c it will do me no good. Next time I'll just post 17-HD=UNMETHYLATED, HERBAL, GARBAGE.
    I have atually never used it.I used IDS's version and got a great rush the first time I took it.I'm just pointing out that many do like it,not all,but many.Thats how all supplements are though.I did research it and thats what I concluded from people who actually used it.Never heard anything positive or negative about increasing test,but most love the energy from it.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by pantera101 View Post
    I have atually never used it.I used IDS's version and got a great rush the first time I took it.I'm just pointing out that many do like it,not all,but many.Thats how all supplements are though.I did research it and thats what I concluded from people who actually used it.Never heard anything positive or negative about increasing test,but most love the energy from it.
    I've used it as well and had an energy rush that went away with consistent usage. Its not worth the price IMHO. IDS's version is, but the product is still of questionable worth. If people really want a preworkout boost, then things like RPM and R4W are much better options. I'm telling you this, b/c I have wasted a sh!t ton on products that were worthless. I sometimes come off as a d!ck, but I'm trying to save people money.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    I've used it as well and had an energy rush that went away with consistent usage. Its not worth the price IMHO. IDS's version is, but the product is still of questionable worth. If people really want a preworkout boost, then things like RPM and R4W are much better options. I'm telling you this, b/c I have wasted a sh!t ton on products that were worthless. I sometimes come off as a d!ck, but I'm trying to save people money.
    I'm wanting to try RPM.I have two bottles of drive to use with nolva after m drol.I am going to try hemadraulix aventually.Prob once I run out of xlevol.I absolutely love xlevol!I don't feel wired or edgy,but once I start lifting,i'm ready to go!I didn't like R4W though.I still have most of the bottle sitting in my cupboard.I'm only looking for something else to cycle with the xlevol,instead of using it all the time.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pantera101 View Post
    I'm wanting to try RPM.I have two bottles of drive to use with nolva after m drol.I am going to try hemadraulix aventually.Prob once I run out of xlevol.I absolutely love xlevol!I don't feel wired or edgy,but once I start lifting,i'm ready to go!I didn't like R4W though.I still have most of the bottle sitting in my cupboard.I'm only looking for something else to cycle with the xlevol,instead of using it all the time.
    I usually use Hemodraulix, b/c I'm addicted to morning coffee. Stimulant containing preworkout suppplements are usually to much for me if taken to close to the morning. I actually liked R4W better than RPM, but that's just me. I'm anxious to try the new formula of R4W, it looks very good.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    I usually use Hemodraulix, b/c I'm addicted to morning coffee. Stimulant containing preworkout suppplements are usually to much for me if taken to close to the morning. I actually liked R4W better than RPM, but that's just me. I'm anxious to try the new formula of R4W, it looks very good.
    I have heard liquids are better than pills on average.I have heard good things about hemadraulix though.I'll probably try it,and stick with xlevol and that if I like it.It took me lots of money and time to find one I like.(xlevol)I highly reccomend it.You can search "try xlevol" to see what i think about it.I'm kind of scared to try hemadraulix though,even though I heard so many good things.Thats how R4W was.I knew I would like it and noticed nothing.I think it was the new version too.The one thats blue and silver with the bencher on it.
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  6. I'm concerned about my lipid levels and especially my libido.

    That's why I've been asking a lot about JW.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    riseboi's blood tests are missing.

    I really wouldn't be worried about liver enzymes. I don't understand everyone's weird obsession with liver and liver enzymes.

    I think I've had the highest liver enzymes out of everyone on this board.

    My ALT/AST were well over 500.

    They went down. I got multiple bloodwork over it. It is no big deal.

    People need to be more worried about their lipid levels.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY View Post
    I'm concerned about my lipid levels and especially my libido.

    That's why I've been asking a lot about JW.
    Take you cycle support and niacin.(not the flush free)I completely agree with reaper too.I don't get the obsession over the abuse to a self healing organ?Anyone else kind of like the taste of cycle support?I got the chocolate and kind of like it in a sick way.It leaves a nice aftertaste that last and last.I drink it straight too.

  8. Well, there has been a very recent article that indicated that lower LDL and higher HDL levels didn't do jack towards heart disease. This came off from perscription drugs (i.e. Vytorin and Zetia). These perscription drugs were clinically shown to have lowered LDL and raise HDL.


    That means a few things here:

    1. Since HDL/LDL levels apparently don't have any correlation on reducing risk of heart disease, well then what does ? The answer seems to still be correlated with cholesterol.......possibly.

    2. Since Anabolic Innovation has several ingredients that specifically address HDL/LDL. Well, if Vytorin/Zetia which have been proven to address these don't lower heart diease, this kinda makes Cycle Support/Life Support less useful. (The ingredients that address lipids).

    3. Since we don't know specifically what the exact mechanism of heart diease is (despite having perscription drugs that work not reduce heart disease), you very well may be f.ucking yourself by taking harsh orals that destroy your lipid profiles. Why ?

    Because even if you manage to get them back to normal (either through a hospital or on their own), this is not to indicate that you are not taking a gamble towards your own possible increased risk of heart disease. The heart diease risk is suddenly now allegedly not related to HDL/LDL, so even if you get those back in check you still might be f'ed anyway. That's kinda a scary proposition (at least to me).

  9. **** it all!!!Live for today and don't worry about it!!!Give me a syringe plumb full of test,heroine,meth,and gh......

  10. This is just my own personal opinion:


    If you are going to use Jungle Warfare, you might as well just run H-Drol instead. They will probably do equal damage to your body (just my own guess), but you'll come out ahead more with H-Drol and at least you know what is in H-Drol.


    From general feedback, JW seems like sides in a bottle (not to mention more expensive than H-Drol).

  11. Did you change your avi again reaper?Or is that the same one?It makes me laugh everytime!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    This is just my own personal opinion:


    If you are going to use Jungle Warfare, you might as well just run H-Drol instead. They will probably do equal damage to your body (just my own guess), but you'll come out ahead more with H-Drol and at least you know what is in H-Drol.


    From general feedback, JW seems like sides in a bottle (not to mention more expensive than H-Drol).
    I'd like to echo that opinion. Some of their products are great, but this is one that I will never touch again. You are better off finding something else to use. The first version was good, but not enough to go through any amount of trouble trying to procure one.

  13. Uh, its slightly different, but the 'man on man' concept from Brokeback Mountain is still there.


    It appears that making any types of gains from Jungle Warfare is a stretch vs. H-Drol. Not worth it, IMO.

  14. Before jw
    Lipid Battery

    Triglyceride .75 mmol/L

    Cholesterol 2.61

    HDL .89 [>.90] WAS A BIT LOWER THAN NORMAL

    LDL 1.38

    Total Chol/HDL ratio 2.9


    Electrolytes
    Sodium 139
    Potassium 4.0
    Chloride 102
    Total Co2 28
    Anion Gap 9


    Bilirubin total 42 umol/L [<20] I'm high on this one


    Test Am 18.8 nmol/L

    Estraidol 165 pmol/L

    TSH 1.87 mU/L


    Alkaline Phospates 80
    Alt 22
    Ast 20

    Creatinine 103
    calculated GFR >60


    After JW

    alkaline phosphatase 85

    alt 26

    ast 29

    creatinine 102
    calculated gfr >60


    cholesterol 2.81


    triglycerides .47

    hdl .82 dropped a few points


    ldl 1.78


    Bilirubin 22
    went down a lot not sure whats up here i think maybe melanotanII might be a cause of the high beginning

    Testosterone am 21.6 up from 18.8 few points

    Estradiol 135 down 30

  15. Unless this is some type of new system, I don't really understand your blood results.

    HDL/LDL/Total Cholesterol should be in whole numbers.

    My most recent blood work shows my

    Cholsterol=142
    Triglycerides=37

  16. I'm not understanding your results at all, unless you are throwing in decimal points where they should not be.

    This is what my first page metabolic panel looks like


    Glucose: 94
    BUN: 14
    Creatinine: 1.0
    Sodium:143
    Potassium: 4.2
    Chloride: 105
    CO2: 32 (high)
    Anion Gap: 10
    Calcium: 9.2
    Total Bilirubin: 0.4
    Alk Phosphatase: 57
    SGOT (AST): 25
    SPGT (ALT): 36
    Total Protein: 6.9
    Albumin: 4.6
    Globulin: 2.3 (low)
    Alb/Glob ratio: 2.0
    GFR=102

    Cholesterol: 142
    Triglycerides: 37


    I have more tests done, but you get the idea.

    My blood work looks vastly different from yours.

  17. no thats how they came from the doctor not sure and were in mmol/L and such whatever also the tests were here in canada so i dunno if that makes a difference

  18. Ok yeah, that makes sense.

    My markers were measured differently than yours.

    I think the majority of them were measured in: g/dL or mg/dL.

  19. Ok, so in mg/dL units here are your results:

    Trigylcerides

    .75 mmol/L= 13.5 mg/dL-old
    .47 mmol/L= 8.459 mg/dL-new


    Cholesterol

    46.98 mg/dL-old
    50.58 mg/dL-new



    I am pretty sure I am converting these right.


    Based off of what my health markers show:

    Normal Cholesterol: 120-199 mg/dL
    Triglycerides: 0-150 mg/dL



    I guess your triglycerides are within normal range. Your cholesterol is insanely low.


    Do you have low testosterone ? I haven't seen cholesterol that low before. Mine falls in at 142 mg/dL.


    I don't really understand your lipid levels. I must be reading this wrong, or somehow not converting properly.


    Your testosterone increase from JW might have been a direct result from a higher level of cholesterol.

  20. http://heart.kumu.org/cholcomp.html

    according to that my cholesterol is about
    before 100
    after 108


    http://heart.kumu.org/triglcomp.html

    triglycerides

    before 62
    after 39

  21. I'm still wondering more about what exactly Jungle Warfare is doing to your cholesterol. Driver Dan also had a low cholesterol level as well.


    Also, Driver Dan's HDL(good cholesterol) is on the lower end and his LDL (bad cholesterol) is on the higher end. Even if he does not have pre-jungle warfare blood work, it is probably safe to assume that Jungle Warfare damages lipid levels (no surprise)

    Your cholesterol from using JW was still low. DriverDan's cholesterol is like 98 or something which was also low as well.

    I'm glad that both you guys got test, liver, lipid panels.


    most ppl get bloodwork only for their liver after a superdrol cycle...which is kinda useless.

    It does not appear that anyone even thought about this. They just kept looking at 'liver enzymes'.


    I'm not sure about the rest of the bloodwork. It all got deleted.

    Thanks for your contributions sogone2day. reps.

  22. no problem thanks

  23. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    I'm still wondering more about what exactly Jungle Warfare is doing to your cholesterol. Driver Dan also had a low cholesterol level as well.

    Also, Driver Dan's HDL(good cholesterol) is on the lower end and his LDL (bad cholesterol) is on the higher end.
    My LDL wasn't high. My total cholesterol was low so how could LDL be high? The ratio of LDL to HDL may be considered high but with the overall amount so low it doesn't matter much.

    Even if he does not have pre-jungle warfare blood work, it is probably safe to assume that Jungle Warfare damages lipid levels (no surprise)
    Sorry but you can't make assumptions about that. For all we know it improved my cholesterol. The only assumption you can make from my blood tests is that JW does NOT increase test to high levels. Mine was quite low afterwards. I still had good results so it functions through a method other than increasing test.

  24. anyone tried stacking JW with Activate Extreme? or taking AX after finishing jw? I've got a bottle of both sitting waiting. Think i'll have a search around first see what i can find. Don't want to go wasting them!

  25. i took JW and followed it up with a 6bromo product cissus-drol generic labz.

  26. yeah you're right driver dan. i must have been thinking about something else. not sure why your cholesterol was so low though. Your LDL is low, but your HDL is as well. makes sense.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    yeah you're right driver dan. i must have been thinking about something else. not sure why your cholesterol was so low though. Your LDL is low, but your HDL is as well. makes sense.
    I have very little cholesterol in my diet. The only notable sources are eggs, cheese, and protein powder. I very rarely eat red meat.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY View Post
    If you look on any website selling it, then it doesn't mention anything 'methyl' on the ingredients label.

    I was just looking at my bottle and I saw this:

    '17a-methyl-5a-dehydro-etiocholane-4, 6-dien-3-one-17-ol'
    Its methylated ADT. It does not equate to a 17aa AAS.
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