OTC Hormone Chart

**Ziquor** · 05-31-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gerby

I'm currently running a cycle of halodrol-50 and Orastan-A. I was thinking of adding 11-oxo for the second half of the cycle. Any thoughts?

If you're bulking I'd say save your money. 11-Oxo is great if you're trying to lean out but I doubt a couple weeks would do anything worthwhile anyhow. Plus a lot of people think of using it in pct for cort control but Ergo suggests not using it during PCT since it can supress natural test production.

jns · 06-01-2008, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziquor

17b-methoxy-trenbolone. The Sinner did a profile in his thread. However with the Kilosports version, there's a lot of question to as whether or not it really is 17b-methoxy-trenbolone. From the feedback I've seen, it seem to react very differently than the original Methoxy-TRN.

Ok. I have read about the issues with gynecomastia when using Methoxy-TRN, but have there been many users reporting this with Trenadrol?

I have researched it quite a bit, but the logs say very different things. Some people seem to love it, some people are very disappointed. I have read that it can aggravate gynecomastia, but I have not seen any proof of this in the logs?

Also, if gynecomastia is really an issue with this compound, would it be a good idea to use an AI on cycle with the Trenadrol?

**Mass_69** · 06-01-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ziquor

17b-methoxy-trenbolone. The Sinner did a profile in his thread. However with the Kilosports version, there's a lot of question to as whether or not it really is 17b-methoxy-trenbolone. From the feedback I've seen, it seem to react very differently than the original Methoxy-TRN.

It came out a while back that Trenadrol was 19-norandrost-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, the same ingredient as Finagenix. That's why it was dosed at 30mg/cap and other Methoxy-TRN products were 1.5-2mg/cap.

I still don't think that anyone knows WTF Methoxy-TRN/17b-methoxy-trienbolone really is...

jns · 06-01-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mass_69

It came out a while back that Trenadrol was 19-norandrost-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, the same ingredient as Finagenix. That's why it was dosed at 30mg/cap and other Methoxy-TRN products were 1.5-2mg/cap.

I still don't think that anyone knows WTF Methoxy-TRN/17b-methoxy-trienbolone really is...

I have totally missed that! Can you post a link or something? It would be really appreciated.

**nunes** · 06-01-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziquor

If you're bulking I'd say save your money. 11-Oxo is great if you're trying to lean out but I doubt a couple weeks would do anything worthwhile anyhow. Plus a lot of people think of using it in pct for cort control but Ergo suggests not using it during PCT since it can supress natural test production.

True , I spoke with PA in bb and he told me to avoid 11-oxo on pct but recommends a bridge of 2 weeks between the cycle and pct, and as you know my friend I`ll do that in my current cycle so lets see what is gonna happen...
By the way do you have experience with the 11-oxo?

**Mass_69** · 06-01-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jns

I have totally missed that! Can you post a link or something? It would be really appreciated.

I knew someone would ask that, and I didn't feel like looking for it, but your luck has changed

http://www.discountanabolics.com/for...hlight=sarcasm

**Ziquor** · 06-01-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mass_69

It came out a while back that Trenadrol was 19-norandrost-4,9-diene-3,17-dione, the same ingredient as Finagenix. That's why it was dosed at 30mg/cap and other Methoxy-TRN products were 1.5-2mg/cap.

I still don't think that anyone knows WTF Methoxy-TRN/17b-methoxy-trienbolone really is...

Yeah I heard that before too, I didn't wanna say anything above though in case it failed to make the 'b' list

**Ziquor** · 06-01-2008, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nunes

True , I spoke with PA in bb and he told me to avoid 11-oxo on pct but recommends a bridge of 2 weeks between the cycle and pct, and as you know my friend I`ll do that in my current cycle so lets see what is gonna happen...
By the way do you have experience with the 11-oxo?

No that's one thing I've never had in my arsenol. I've know many people who swear by it for a recomp though.

jns · 06-02-2008, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mass_69

I knew someone would ask that, and I didn't feel like looking for it, but your luck has changed

http://www.discountanabolics.com/for...hlight=sarcasm

Thanx man! Reps for ya (if I can give?)

jns · 06-02-2008, 04:47 AM

So after reading the thread that was posted about Trenadrol, it seems as if it contains Estra-9 (as in finigex) but it does not act like one would expect. Therefore, it is plaussible that it also has been spiked with something. In the thread they suggest Trenbolone?

**Ziquor** · 06-02-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jns

So after reading the thread that was posted about Trenadrol, it seems as if it contains Estra-9 (as in finigex) but it does not act like one would expect. Therefore, it is plaussible that it also has been spiked with something. In the thread they suggest Trenbolone?

May it be spiked with something? Definitely. With all the designers out there I'm sure many of them aren't 'legit'. A popular designer that's out now that many different companies make, has about 4 popular 'main' versions you see and 3 all provide consistent gains. But one of them always seems to lead to more gains, and sides too. PA said in MD that 60% of the designers he tested didn't contain what the label said and many, contained nothing anabolic to speak of...

Could it be spiked with Trenbolone? Definitely not. Trenbolone for one is scheduled, and isn't oral stable/bioavailable in IM form taken orally. And the 17a methyl version, Methyltrienolone, is crazy potent not to mention scheduled & toxic as hell. I once read that Methyltrienolone makes taking mega doses of Anadrol look liver friendly.

tilerbreaker · 06-02-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziquor

17b-methoxy-trenbolone. The Sinner did a profile in his thread. However with the Kilosports version, there's a lot of question to as whether or not it really is 17b-methoxy-trenbolone. From the feedback I've seen, it seem to react very differently than the original Methoxy-TRN.

I've never understood the 17b-methoxy-trienbolone thing. First there's so many questions as to whether this compound was ever the real ingredient where it was supposed to be. And then PA, in his MD column said that the methoxy group should not be metabolized to a hydroxy group, and we know that a steroid with a large methoxy group at C17 shouldn't interact with the androgen receptor. So if it really did have effects, it would most likely be through other receptor types (progesterone, glucocorticoid, something else???).

Very confusing, if you ask me...

**Ziquor** · 06-02-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tilerbreaker

I've never understood the 17b-methoxy-trienbolone thing. First there's so many questions as to whether this compound was ever the real ingredient where it was supposed to be. And then PA, in his MD column said that the methoxy group should not be metabolized to a hydroxy group, and we know that a steroid with a large methoxy group at C17 shouldn't interact with the androgen receptor. So if it really did have effects, it would most likely be through other receptor types (progesterone, glucocorticoid, something else???).

Very confusing, if you ask me...

Apparently PA tested some, off record, and found it was a compound that very closely resembled the Dienolone (Estra-4,9) designers, but not exactly. But he said he couldn't identify it 100% since it wasn't exact Dienolone. I'm really hoping he gets a chance to test Methoxy-TST.

**Ziquor** · 06-02-2008, 08:49 PM

UPDATE: I decided to add the "Methoxy's" to the chart from all the inquiries for what it's worth. I also made it a bit more clear.