[n8te]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

yes, the pplex is already active. But active vs prohormone doesn't make a product good or bad, its just different. Anyone here would happily trade a bottle of some of the active compounds for a bottle or two of 1-ad, a prohormone. Its all about the compound specifics.

Omnevol is the halodrol/superdrol/pheraplex combo? I can't remember offhand

i believe so yes

[One and Only]

SUPERDROL ROCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
(m-drol is a great product)

[learn]

nice chart

any Idea on the Rate Hdrol converts ?

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by learn

nice chart

any Idea on the Rate Hdrol converts ?

No - but best I can say it's pretty high. You can't really compare Halo to OT as they have slightly different properties and really Halo is its own Steroid. In reality H-Drol should be on the steroids chart. Once in the body it binds to the androgen receptor without any conversion needed as it has activity on its own. On top of having activity without conversion, after it makes first pass it does convert to Oral Turinabol I'd estimate at decently high rates. Thus making it slightly different than OT as mentioned - it's slightly more androgenic and slightly less anabolic due to it converting to OT plus having its own activity. Another example is the original 4-AD. It was modeled as a testosterone PH. But it had some activity of its own as well on the receptors. Hence it converted to test but was slightly more androgenic & slightly less anabolic due to its own activity at the receptors.

[Grote Bink]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

I wouldn't be suprised if Fast Action was legally making this in Europe. Hell they still use heroin (diamorphine) in hospitals to relieve pain and the US hasn't since 1912.

Sorry, but it is different. I live in Western-Europe and hormones and prohormones are practically all illegal. The EU has much higher restrictions on even prohormones than the US. I now and then use prohormones, but cannot buy them here exept for Mass FX and one or two others. If I need to buy some, I need to buy it via American sites.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by Grote Bink

Sorry, but it is different. I live in Western-Europe and hormones and prohormones are practically all illegal. The EU has much higher restrictions on even prohormones than the US. I now and then use prohormones, but cannot buy them here exept for Mass FX and one or two others. If I need to buy some, I need to buy it via American sites.

REALLY? That's weird because M1T is the most potent, toxic sterid ever sold OTC and they sell it on tons of UK websites. They don't dare even put it on US sites though. I know many people from the US who ordered M1T from Europe. Which's very stupid IMO since it's a possible felony conviction. What part of Europe do you live? I was in the UK last year. And they definitely still do use heroin (diamorphine) in hospitals which's strange.

[Grote Bink]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

REALLY? That's weird because M1T is the most potent, toxic sterid ever sold OTC and they sell it on tons of UK websites. They don't dare even put it on US sites though. I know many people from the US who ordered M1T from Europe. Which's very stupid IMO since it's a possible felony conviction. What part of Europe do you live? I was in the UK last year. And they definitely still do use heroin (diamorphine) in hospitals which's strange.

I live in The Netherlands and practically no internetsite nor shop here nor e.g. in Germany or France do sell prohormones. In Europe, we see the US as the prohormone paradise.
I don't know about Diamorphine in The Netherlands, I have to ask a colleagues who's wife works in a hospital.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by Grote Bink

I live in The Netherlands and practically no internetsite nor shop here nor e.g. in Germany or France do sell prohormones. In Europe, we see the US as the prohormone paradise.
I don't know about Diamorphine in The Netherlands, I have to ask a colleagues who's wife works in a hospital.

Ahhh my bad. Sorry - I was sorta vague when I said Europe. I meant England/UK specifically.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by Grote Bink

I live in The Netherlands and practically no internetsite nor shop here nor e.g. in Germany or France do sell prohormones. In Europe, we see the US as the prohormone paradise.
I don't know about Diamorphine in The Netherlands, I have to ask a colleagues who's wife works in a hospital.

BTW do you live anywhere near Amsterdam? Talk about a paradise for substances! I've always wanted to go there.

[tnick7]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

Ahhh my bad. Sorry - I was sorta vague when I said Europe. I meant England/UK specifically.

I live in the UK and you can walk into any supplement store, non sell prohormones/steroids of any type. All the more legit UK online retail stores do not sell ph/ds either. The use of AAS is legal in the UK, but the selling of them is a felony. I think that prohormones/steroids are in the same category, hence the only ones really sold in the UK are the ones that are disguised as natural eg MASS TABS, therefore its actually harder to access ph/ds in the UK IMO. However there are no legal issues with M-1T etc etc

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by tnick7

I live in the UK and you can walk into any supplement store, non sell prohormones/steroids of any type. All the more legit UK online retail stores do not sell ph/ds either. The use of AAS is legal in the UK, but the selling of them is a felony. I think that prohormones/steroids are in the same category, hence the only ones really sold in the UK are the ones that are disguised as natural eg MASS TABS, therefore its actually harder to access ph/ds in the UK IMO. However there are no legal issues with M-1T etc etc

That's weird. I seen tons of UK sites that still sell M1T, 1-AD, 4-AD, etc. There tons of people from the U.S. that buy them and re-sale 'em for obsurd prices here. Which's stupid because if customs stops the shipment one could get a felony charge since those 3 are all scheduled now in the US.

[BigMfer]

Where is info on M-DHT?

[Mass_69]

Originally Posted by BigMfer

Where is info on M-DHT?

Search for MDHT (without the dash) or Mestanolone.

Also here's a thorough thread: MDHT info

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by BigMfer

Where is info on M-DHT?

I could add it but damn I haven't heard anyone mention it in a long time. Do most run finsteride or dutasteride along with that? Even though I'm not prone to shedding, I've never ran any DHT based product.

[pez6969]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

I've noticed tons of newbs and general ?'s lately about how to use compound X without even knowing what it is. Hopefully this chart I made can help clear up some continous general questions. If I'm wrong on any of these or anything needs added let me know.


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Great info Zig!!!! I got one question, what do you know about 1 AD from ergopharm? I have been looking into it, it is Patrick A. new creation. People on the forums said it was for real. Let me know what youn think... As always the Pens will win the the fukin cup.