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    gyno or no?: be honest


    just want the opinion of those who might have had it or seen it...

    i want to make sure I don't before I start another cycle.. and if I do I want to stop it.

    ps, sorry about the glossy pits, it's cocoa butter.
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    Doesn't look bad at all.. Any lumps?
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    mine look the same way and ive never used any aas/ph/ds, just kind of puffy nipple? or is there a lump?
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    what started this paranoid phase I am going through is seeing the video or romano getting gyno done on md.com ...

    it didnlt even look to me like he needed it, .

    when I flex it is all one solid piece. (left nipple a little softer and bigger) but no lumps..

    when I donlt flex i can grab from behing the bipple and it's like a ball.
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    this is what I am talking about when I say grabbing the ball when I donlt flex...

    I just donlt know if this is normal as I have nothing to guage it by.
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    if you do have gyno it's pretty minimal. nothing to be worried about, but I would def. keep an eye on it.
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    sounds good.

    do you think doing more decline presses (i never do them) would help the look or make the nipple stick out more

    also. i was going to do a hemadrol cycle and follow it up with nolvadex 20/20/10/10... What are your thoughts on taking the nolvadex at the same time as the hemadrol at 10mg a day... or even taking an over the counter like nolvadex xt or 6oxo at the same time?

    PS. i love this site.. I posted the same thing elsewere and all I got was a 14 year old responding saying HUGE CHEST MAN!

    thanks for the no bs answers
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    what is ur past ph/ds/aas use?
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    looong time ago I did M1T with only a nolvadex xt pct... no adverse effects.

    One month ago I did magnadrol and hemadrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    One month ago I did magnadrol and hemadrol.
    what did ur pct look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    what did ur pct look like?
    if you don't say there was a SERM in there I shall rebuke thee.
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    magnadrol = prostanazol 30mg and ergomax lmg 10mg....correct?
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    nolvadex xt during... 6oxo afterwards. along with tons of otc liver care products. The only stuff I had access to was over the counter.

    BEfore you chastise me i realise the flaw in not taking anything else, but the guy I got it from told me I was overdoing post cycle as is.

    since then I have planned ahead and located some real novadex before I started anything. I want to do it properly.
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    be gentle guys....
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    shoul I forget the hemadrol or any further cycles and just take the novadex now?
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    ok, one more question, when did ur pct for ur most recent cycle end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    nolvadex xt during... 6oxo afterwards. along with tons of otc liver care products. The only stuff I had access to was over the counter.

    BEfore you chastise me i realise the flaw in not taking anything else, but the guy I got it from told me I was overdoing post cycle as is.

    since then I have planned ahead and located some real novadex before I started anything. I want to do it properly.
    Well.. I won't yell at you. It's awesome that you already know you weren't going about things in the most wise way. For future pct's, I recommend Toremifene.
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    my pct (if you even want to call it that) recently ended. I finished 6oxo 1 week ago. have 3 more days of testdrive. then all I have left is the liver care products
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    ok, well once ur pct is over, wait ATLEAST 8 weeks before u start ur next cycle of whatever u choose.
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    Okay, so no cycle for atleast 8 weeks, and I won't do it until I have a proper post cycle lined up.

    but what about for right now. I will finish the test drive, continue with liver products.. anything else beneficial, even over the counter beneficial, i'd rather overdo it. Or should I take the nolvadex?
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    honestly i couldnt even tell. if you have it its very small.
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    nope - not gyno - looks like the cocoa butter under the armpits worked!
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    Thanks, it's actually a cocoa butter with vitamin E (palmers brand) mixed in. It has helped tremendously in reducing the redness. and I haven;t had any new scars since i've been using it.

    Stains the **** out of my undershirts,. btu thats what a undershirt is for!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    Thanks, it's actually a cocoa butter with vitamin E (palmers brand) mixed in. It has helped tremendously in reducing the redness. and I haven;t had any new scars since i've been using it.

    Stains the **** out of my undershirts,. btu thats what a undershirt is for!
    aloe vera stregnthens the effects of vit e with respects to the skin too.
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    No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

    SERM + P.C.T Guide

    Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

    Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.


    1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

    Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
    Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
    Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
    Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

    Alternative Torm Dosing:
    Week1: Days 1-3: 120mg Torm, Days 4-7: 90 mg Torm
    Week2: 60mg Torm
    Week3: 60mg Torm
    Week4: 30mg Torm

    You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board.


    Example Nolva Dosing:
    Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
    Wk2: 20mg everyday
    Wk3: 10mg everyday
    Wk4: 10mg everyday

    I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

    2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

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    4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

    5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

    NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

    1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

    2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

    3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

    4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

    5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

    All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

    With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

    Things To Note

    1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

    2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT


    3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: @@@ Gyno Questions - Please Read This First @@@ - Bodybuilding.com Forums

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    Neo has the ultimate anti-gyno educational post. I love it.
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    i would be glad if my nipps looked like that now. you got nothing to worry about brother.
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    Thanks guys. REgardless I have learnt my lesson and will properly run pct.

    PS. I love this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    Thanks guys. REgardless I have learnt my lesson and will properly run pct.

    PS. I love this site.
    enjoy! we're here to help
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    Hey guys, I was tring to place an order on bb.com (please let me know if there is a cheaper site out there that you use) but I can't find the sustain alpha... All they have is Fizogen OFF cycle.

    Were do you make your purchases for all the pct stuff?>
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    Quote Originally Posted by gibbob2 View Post
    Hey guys, I was tring to place an order on bb.com (please let me know if there is a cheaper site out there that you use) but I can't find the sustain alpha... All they have is Fizogen OFF cycle.

    Were do you make your purchases for all the pct stuff?>

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/p...ha-7-5-oz.html
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    right here at nutraplanet. click the store button on the menu bar
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    i would consider actual mass tissue (like a small grape or marble) to be gyno. It seems like you just have some fatty deposit by the looks of pinching it. If you get leaner it might go away, or maybe just need some lipo.

    Some men have a tendency to carry fat in their chest.
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    Perfect, all I am looking for now is the formestane.. The site (wonderfull site) says they are out, and nobody else has it (some site forums are talking about it being banned?>)
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    I believe RPN & Dsade are coming out with an esterized version of it at a very affordable price. Check the forums here.
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    No gyno there.
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    Guys do I have gyno, I would like a second opinion on this, I'm not quite sure?

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    By far the most disturbing picture I ve ever seen in my life.
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    i feel that way every time neo posts pictures of himself
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    i feel that way every time neo posts pictures of himself
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