Quick question to P-Plex users

[AlexParty]

I am curious if any of you had used Phera Plex before. If you did and now finished with P-Plex I was wondering how similar the cycles were in terms of sides and gains? I know it's "supposedly" the same compound but I read a thread where P-Plex was less potent because it was beta instead of alpha or something like that.

Anyhow were your nuts hurting like Phera? Were you dry in the morning? Aggressive?

 

[Ziquor]

I am curious if any of you had used Phera Plex before. If you did and now finished with P-Plex I was wondering how similar the cycles were in terms of sides and gains? I know it's "supposedly" the same compound but I read a thread where P-Plex was less potent because it was beta instead of alpha or something like that.

Anyhow were your nuts hurting like Phera? Were you dry in the morning? Aggressive?

P-Plex is 97% A isomer - 3% B isomer. It's also 15mg whereas Pheraplex was 10mg so in reality P-Plex is more potent. CEL's products are top notch IMO, every bit as good as the originals if not better (cost).

 

[AlexParty]

P-Plex is 97% A isomer - 3% B isomer. It's also 15mg whereas Pheraplex was 10mg so in reality P-Plex is more potent. CEL's products are top notch IMO, every bit as good as the originals if not better (cost).

Interesting... Have you tried P-Plex?

 

[Ziquor]

Interesting... Have you tried P-Plex?

No not P-Plex. I plan on running mine this fall it seems to be better suited for a winter bulker IMO.

 

[AlexParty]

Yup it's good for winter or before summer. I did mine before summer 2 years ago. I'm gonna give Plex a shot because I loved Phera. SD was too much and Phera hit the spot.

 

[Ziquor]

Noooooo don't say that! I tried choosing between the 2 for months and just am finishing up my pre-load for a Super cycle. Did you at least get good gains from Super?

 

[AlexParty]

Noooooo don't say that! I tried choosing between the 2 for months and just am finishing up my pre-load for a Super cycle. Did you at least get good gains from Super?

Oh don't get me wrong I will do a M-Drol cycle later this year but that's a good choice. It's really either or, you can't compare the two, their both different. I'm the type that if I see a lot of sides I start to worry, with Phera I didn't. People react differently. I heard a few people get no sides at all from SD. Also depends on how much you take.

You have the original SD or M-Drol?

 

[AlexParty]

Forgot to say, yes I got good gains from SD, a little better than Phera, noticeable difference.

 

[Ziquor]

Good stuff. I have M-Drol and can't wait to eat it!

 

[AlexParty]

Good stuff. I have M-Drol and can't wait to eat it!

Hey let me know how it goes, I am curious to see if it's similar to the AX SD.

 

[chuebner]

ive done a cycle of pplex and loved it, felt pumped throughout the day and very aggressive in the gym and on most sites very cheap. I used it along side RPM and seriously felt like i could lift anything.

 

[Link24]

I took P-plex I got great strength gains and size gains. It wasnt as wet as I had anticipated which was a good thing. Some things i noticed on cycle were High blood pressure, weaker appetite, Itchy nips, massive vascularity. So i would make sure you have your supporting supps lined up. Also, have novla or an Ai on hand if any nipples problem pop up.

 

[Cub]

Good stuff. I have M-Drol and can't wait to eat it!

When do you start mate? This has been a long time coming! You better log this

Overall, from my experience with a dose at 20/30/30, my appetite was non-existant (Don't get me wrong, my calorie intake was still high) and I felt incredibly lethargic. Gained about 8 pounds. I don't really respond too well to pro-anabolic products though. I'm 6" and weighing in at 230lbs now. My body fat is at about 18%. I feel I could have made better gains from something a little milder as I would have been able to eat even more. I'm thinking of running H-DROL or P-PLEX next. Although I wouldn't mind stacking with a Max LMG clone. So many choices!

 

[AlexParty]

When do you start mate? This has been a long time coming! You better log this

Overall, from my experience with a dose at 20/30/30, my appetite was non-existant (Don't get me wrong, my calorie intake was still high) and I felt incredibly lethargic. Gained about 8 pounds. I don't really respond too well to pro-anabolic products though. I'm 6" and weighing in at 230lbs now. My body fat is at about 18%. I feel I could have made better gains from something a little milder as I would have been able to eat even more. I'm thinking of running H-DROL or P-PLEX next. Although I wouldn't mind stacking with a Max LMG clone. So many choices!

You're taking about M-Drol?

 

[Cub]

Yeah, sorry mate, should have mentioned

 

[305Rob]

Good stuff. I have M-Drol and can't wait to eat it!

x2:cheers:

 

[AlexParty]

I heard that Havoc/Propadrol is a killer cycle. Going to try that soon.

What are you guys going to use for PCT with M-Drol? Just Curious...

 

[mousitch]

Day 22 on p-plex...Really starting to feel it. Strength is up. Feeling lethargic, slightly depressed till I hit the weights. No sides other than the lethargic feeling. Running e-form alongside. It seems to really keep the wetness down(p2p and l-carboxy too). Filling out nicely...up about 6 pounds with no change in BF%. Running a pretty agressive PCT to try and really keep gains...Exmestane and Clomid...I'll be crying like a Bi#$h!..lol

 

[Cub]

No PCT for me.

 

[mousitch]

So how did that work out for ya...No pct...Nothing?

 

[Cub]

I'll tell you when it's over I did a heavy dose of Epistane with no PCT. I dosed the Superdrol heavy and had no shutdown either. My balls are huge and hanging low, I'm still banging and keen to bang.

 

[mousitch]

MIne are not as "low" as day 15. Still want to use them though.I probably am looking at a good pct. It's Wild how stuff reacts to people differently. I'm tired as hell too.

 

[Cub]

You will feel lethargic. That's just your liver packing in.

 

[chuebner]

ohh yeah i forgot about my extremely elevated Bp..went in for something else and doc gave me a long speach about anabolics..def add in deferent support supps next time

 

[Australian made]

I'll tell you when it's over I did a heavy dose of Epistane with no PCT. I dosed the Superdrol heavy and had no shutdown either. My balls are huge and hanging low, I'm still banging and keen to bang.

No PCT really?? Did you have any issues keeping the gains?

 

[AlexParty]

ohh yeah i forgot about my extremely elevated Bp..went in for something else and doc gave me a long speach about anabolics..def add in deferent support supps next time

Was that on M-Drol? I know M-Drol does that to you, not so much Phera Plex

 

[Link24]

Phera is known to raise your blood pressure, I stated it as one of my side effects in my previous post.

 

[Ziquor]

I haven't really yet heard of a PH/PS that's worth taking that doesn't raise BP, even Halo raised some peeps blood pretty damn high. Where ya been Cub? I put off my start for the past couple weeks my ankle/leg still a bit sore from my car wreck in the end of Jan. I was gonna start last week but I still can't squat properly, sux. I'll PM you the link when I do start my log I may just sub 2 others for the squat though I hate to not squat while ON.

 

[AlexParty]

What did you guys take to lower blood pressure and was it while "ON"

 

[Cub]

I burst the inside of my left ear at the pro bench on my 4th lift. I had blood pissing out of it. I was pretty disoriented when I stood up and didn't know what it was at first. This MAY have had something to do with possible elevated blood pressure from Superdrol but I doubt it as I didn't experience any blood noses. I was benching 572lbs when it happened though. So it was most likely the pressure build up. Straight to hospital for me!

 

[Cub]

Forgot to answer the question...you can look at taking Hawthorne Berry to help lower blood pressure. It takes a couple of weeks before becoming effective so pre-load it as you would other supps i.e Milk Thistle etc.

 

[chuebner]

Was that on M-Drol? I know M-Drol does that to you, not so much Phera Plex

Bp elevated on Pplex. Would get the occasional nose bleed and headaches. Def preload like cub suggest with hawthorne berry extract. Will be doing that this time around

 

[AlexParty]

Thanks guys..

Cub you were bleeding from your ear? What did the Doc say about that?

 

[mousitch]

Just got back from the doc. My BP 143/73 after 3 weeks plex...been using Cycle support 3x day since day -14. Thats actually lower than my normal (non-cycle)BP (which is somewhat on the high side)

 

[Cub]

At the comp they said "this is no laughing matter" and told me to go straight to emergency. They put me at the front of the queue, even though others had been waiting hours to see a doctor! They suspected a perforated ear drum. In the end she told me that I had burst all the inside wall of my left ear. The pressure had built up so much that it bruised and then ruptured all the veins (hence the bleeding). Good times

I am getting all my lifting footage on Saturday so I will post it on YouTube for you to see.

 

[Cub]

Just got back from the doc. My BP 143/73 after 3 weeks plex...been using Cycle support 3x day since day -14. Thats actually lower than my normal (non-cycle)BP (which is somewhat on the high side)

Phera-Plex heals the heart. That must be why people feel so good on it!

 

[AlexParty]

At the comp they said "this is no laughing matter" and told me to go straight to emergency. They put me at the front of the queue, even though others had been waiting hours to see a doctor! They suspected a perforated ear drum. In the end she told me that I had burst all the inside wall of my left ear. The pressure had built up so much that it bruised and then ruptured all the veins (hence the bleeding). Good times

I am getting all my lifting footage on Saturday so I will post it on YouTube for you to see.

Pretty crazy man I will watch that vid on youtube.... and yeah Phera plex is awsome that's why I hope P-Plex is the same and I know it's the same compound but no one said their nuts hurt yet so I'm wondering..

 

[mousitch]

(kinda off topic)Is it just me or does the "ripped dude" in the ad below got a little gyno going on?

 

[Cub]

(kinda off topic)Is it just me or does the "ripped dude" in the ad below got a little gyno going on?

I was thinking that the other day! "Take our product and grow your own man boobies, just like the picture below" :rofl:

 

[Cub]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/powerlifting-strongman/89994-my-lifts-pro.html#post1276740 is the link to the thread where my ear pops on my 260kg bench. Good times