Epistane vs Winstrol / Var

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    I agree. the fat loss component of an Epi based cut would have to be your diet more so then the compound itself, but you still will very likely add LBM even on a deficit. Var on the other hand has intrisic fat loss properties itself so you will def see more with it using the same diet but less gain in LBM.
    Yup. Epistane will increase LBM more than Var, but Var is better for fat loss/vascularity. The strength gains are about equal between the two.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by nephilim666 View Post
    winny gives me way better strength gains then var. everything gives me better strength gains then var lol.

    yea epi was a no show as far as anything for me. i used epi and methyl E i got a bottle of each. ph/ds have small effects on me.. on phera 40mg and halo 100mg for 6 weeks i put on like 10 lbs and hardend up a little. superdrol at 30mg for 4 weeks i got shredded and put on 8lbs.. test C + primo + Tbol i put on 35 lbs in 12 weeks.
    Er whatever you may get on 'gear', I hardly think that 10lbs in 6 weeks with phera and halodrol is bad if it is lean muscle!
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  3. I never really got much fat loss from var personally. Everything reacts differently in everyone else though. I am pretty lean naturally which could be a contributing factor.
    PharmD

  4. cant lose what isnt there lol.. and for rob.. shut up man. lol. my liver values are actualy perfectly fine as well as my cholesterol. my BP is now under control and im still gaining past 245 at around 13%bf 5'11 so when you can put up 500lbs bench press then lets talk. and my receptors are not fried, learn about androgen receptors buddy.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by wheycasein View Post
    Poppy, you're talking about Winstrol right?

    Another question I have is how gear like for example Oxymethelone - Anadrol does not bind to the AR receptor and yet is very androgenic?
    while it is true that Anadrol itself is not very androgenic, one of it's main metabolites is 17 methyl DHT which is very androgenic. Just like testosterone isn't all that androgenic, but once it is metabolized into DHT it is very androgenic.
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  6. thats why i stear clear of anadrol, my one experience and 30lbs of water later will have me hating them forever. its like suqeezing a 20 week test cycle into 4 weeks... :donut:

  7. Quote Originally Posted by nephilim666 View Post
    thats why i stear clear of anadrol, my one experience and 30lbs of water later will have me hating them forever. its like suqeezing a 20 week test cycle into 4 weeks... :donut:
    really??? I loved it... although I WAS taking it at a respectable dose lol.

    just bustin your balls bro, btw what dose were you taking it at?

  8. 50 for 2 weeks 100 for 2 weeks. it honestly just bloated the hell out of me i was the pillsberry dough boy. i put on 30lbs in conjunction with test E but most of it i attrib to the anadrol. it was weird because even while on cycle i dropped almost 15lbs of water like 4 or 5 days after coming off. i did get strong as hell tho my bench shot up like 70 lbs in those 4 weeks along with almost 100 on squats and deadlift. if anadrol is to be used i would suggest it for strength purposes. Dbol and Tbol are much more effective at muscle gains but not as good for strength.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by nephilim666 View Post
    50 for 2 weeks 100 for 2 weeks. it honestly just bloated the hell out of me i was the pillsberry dough boy. i put on 30lbs in conjunction with test E but most of it i attrib to the anadrol. it was weird because even while on cycle i dropped almost 15lbs of water like 4 or 5 days after coming off. i did get strong as hell tho my bench shot up like 70 lbs in those 4 weeks along with almost 100 on squats and deadlift. if anadrol is to be used i would suggest it for strength purposes. Dbol and Tbol are much more effective at muscle gains but not as good for strength.
    wow thats so odd, I was taking 50-60mg as well and I actually bloated more on 35mg of dbol then Abombs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    what??? even if its androgen profile isnt the highest (actually has a VERY high anabolic profile) it has one of the highest binding affinity for tha AR and exhibits very androgenic sides if any. It actually has more Anrdrogenic qualities rather then anabolic ones.
    Poopy--- I don't mean to hijack or side-track this thread, but I have one really quick question for you. Is there an androgen profile list that you or someone (the Mods) can put up for all to see. I really prefer the more androgenic compounds over the mainly anabolic ones. I love strength and aggression!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Poopy--- I don't mean to hijack or side-track this thread, but I have one really quick question for you. Is there an androgen profile list that you or someone (the Mods) can put up for all to see. I really prefer the more androgenic compounds over the mainly anabolic ones. I love strength and aggression!!
    There IS a list.... but it wont include any of the current oral designers or even most of the "prohormone compounds" from preban.... also its not fully accurate for what your wanting to do.

    Superdrol for instance is waaaaaaaay anabolic over androgenic, yet its dry, it makes you meaner then a mother and it makes you strong as all hell. Same with Epi and Phera too... even more so then SD they are both more anabolic profiled then androgenic but both known to be mean strength supps...

    so good luck with using that list to actually find good strength compounds, your better off using user feedback and compound review profiles.

    heres three....

    this ones for all the well know big time compounds with fairly in depth reviews, profiles and half life times... even detection length times for guys that are tested for jobs or contests.

    Steroids and Testosterone Profiles - Steroid.com


    this one was an old sticky I believe and was for all the preban hormones... not super detailed but good enough especially if you just pay attention to what they convert into, then just refer to the list above.

    Prohormones FAQ


    this on was put together by thesinner and it includes his gathered feedback from most the postban designer compounds and will give you fairly accurate description of sides and benifits... remember though these are general and everyone responds differently... but it IS stickied at the top of the steroids section.

    Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    There IS a list.... but it wont include any of the current oral designers or even most of the "prohormone compounds" from preban.... also its not fully accurate for what your wanting to do.

    Superdrol for instance is waaaaaaaay anabolic over androgenic, yet its dry, it makes you meaner then a mother and it makes you strong as all hell. Same with Epi and Phera too... even more so then SD they are both more anabolic profiled then androgenic but both known to be mean strength supps...

    so good luck with using that list to actually find good strength compounds, your better off using user feedback and compound review profiles.

    heres three....

    this ones for all the well know big time compounds with fairly in depth reviews, profiles and half life times... even detection length times for guys that are tested for jobs or contests.

    Steroids and Testosterone Profiles - Steroid.com


    this one was an old sticky I believe and was for all the preban hormones... not super detailed but good enough especially if you just pay attention to what they convert into, then just refer to the list above.

    Prohormones FAQ


    this on was put together by thesinner and it includes his gathered feedback from most the postban designer compounds and will give you fairly accurate description of sides and benifits... remember though these are general and everyone responds differently... but it IS stickied at the top of the steroids section.

    Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
    I had seen the last 2 but not the first list. Thanks very much poopypants. You Da Man!! Reps to poop-dog! I added all 3 lists to my favorites section for fast reference. I still would like to see a more detailed list regarding androgenicity versus anabolic potential. I love the strong androgens!! I really don't need more mass @ 265 lbs. But getting strong, cut, lean, dry, and hard are on my must-do list before summer!! I did lose 5 lbs. in the last 4 weeks on my TRN/TST combo and M-Dien cycle!!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    I had seen the last 2 but not the first list. Thanks very much poopypants. You Da Man!! Reps to poop-dog! I added all 3 lists to my favorites section for fast reference. I still would like to see a more detailed list regarding androgenicity versus anabolic potential. I love the strong androgens!! I really don't need more mass @ 265 lbs. But getting strong, cut, lean, dry, and hard are on my must-do list before summer!! I did lose 5 lbs. in the last 4 weeks on my TRN/TST combo and M-Dien cycle!!
    wow.... you need more then those???? lol.

    I want to try out MMV2 from LG, that just sounds sick for strength and cutting up.

    Also theres always Var.... winny and its prostan precursors.... furaz... but basically all the legal ones your already taking... lol. TRN being the best IMO.

  14. oh I forgot propadrol, I took it for only two weeks and started getting some progestin sides (gyno flare up) so I switched over to epi and DBOL to save the cycle, but right before that I was getting mad strong and vascular. I really liked it and wished I coulda ran it longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    wow.... you need more then those???? lol.

    I want to try out MMV2 from LG, that just sounds sick for strength and cutting up.

    Also theres always Var.... winny and its prostan precursors.... furaz... but basically all the legal ones your already taking... lol. TRN being the best IMO.
    Thanks for all of your help poopypants! I also want desparately to try the new LG's MMV2. I have 2 old bottles of Primaforce MethylRage that I just started on last week. I feel it kicking in already! But they won't last me forever. And it was the very LAST of it I could find too. Just wonder if the MMV2 is anywhere close to my MDHT? If LG would toss me a couple of free bottles, I'd do a first-rate job on a log of it. Please LG!!
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