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How does epistane compare to winstrol and var?
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Ahhh....I see what you are getting at. I was looking at them in different ways of use/purpose, for strength, for cutting, for the anti-estrogenic property, for a stand alone cycle, see what Im saying. Also, var/win are both real dry, I dont see epi that way. Sorry I couldnt be of more help to you.Well they are all non aromatising low androgenic steroids. So they have that in common. That's why I put them together.
Well they are all non aromatising low androgenic steroids. So they have that in common. That's why I put them together.
uhhh ya Im not sure bout that one. Like I said too Epi is a much more anabolic compound profile wise, think its like 1200 anabolic::300 androgenic or somethin like that so the fact that its so damn androgenic is just crazy.Poppy, you're talking about Winstrol right?
Another question I have is how gear like for example Oxymethelone - Anadrol does not bind to the AR receptor and yet is very androgenic?
winny gives the sickest hardening effect. even more so then 6 weeks of tren ace. injectible winny can also be used up to 8 weeks . epistane at 50-70 mg did absolutely nothing to me in terms of.. well.. anything. so my vote goes to winstrol.
anavar is possibly the least worthwhile steroid. there is something better to use for any goal. you got to use up to 100mg of this crap and its also quite expensive. the gains from it are negligible and the hardening effects are mediocre at best.
LOL. ya man I understand completely, but you gotta put that stuff out there before you post about taking stuff and it being useless... to the average human being taking 100mg of Var (specially with creatine) would be an insanely nice cycle (also insanely expensive)bro when i was a teen i used to do 25mg dbol for 6 weeks on 6 weeks off. i was like a little arab arnold. my body has goten used to these and if i took 25 mg now it would just make me a little stronger maybe put on 5lbs. my body has also became more resistant to supression which is noted through blood tests.
DAMN!!! you think! the Var alone would be putting a huge dent in those winnings but then the primo too!!! geeze!thats true. ill make it more clear from now on. lol i got 1 for ya, ul appretiate this. another competitor i train with at my gym took var at 200mg ED and primobolan 1g a week for contest prep. he literlay ended up spending more than he won getting 1st place in his division.
I am a big fan of epistane, but the fat loss benefits of it cannot even be compared to Var. Var is WAY better than epistane in the fat loss department.The biggest thing for me is the versatility of Epi.
You can either bulk or cut with it. Also many have been on a cut with Epi and still add LBM while dropping fat, its not as easy to add LBM with Var or Winny but you may lose fat a lil faster.
You have fried your receptors. This is why you dont respond to perfectly good compounds even when you run them at such idiotic dosages. Im sure your liver is fried as well. Dont be so quick to write off compounds as "crap" when you are the reason they arent working.bro when i was a teen i used to do 25mg dbol for 6 weeks on 6 weeks off. i was like a little arab arnold. my body has goten used to these and if i took 25 mg now it would just make me a little stronger maybe put on 5lbs. my body has also became more resistant to supression which is noted through blood tests.
I agree. the fat loss component of an Epi based cut would have to be your diet more so then the compound itself, but you still will very likely add LBM even on a deficit. Var on the other hand has intrisic fat loss properties itself so you will def see more with it using the same diet but less gain in LBM.I am a big fan of epistane, but the fat loss benefits of it cannot even be compared to Var. Var is WAY better than epistane in the fat loss department.
Yup. Epistane will increase LBM more than Var, but Var is better for fat loss/vascularity. The strength gains are about equal between the two.I agree. the fat loss component of an Epi based cut would have to be your diet more so then the compound itself, but you still will very likely add LBM even on a deficit. Var on the other hand has intrisic fat loss properties itself so you will def see more with it using the same diet but less gain in LBM.
Er whatever you may get on 'gear', I hardly think that 10lbs in 6 weeks with phera and halodrol is bad if it is lean muscle!winny gives me way better strength gains then var. everything gives me better strength gains then var lol.
yea epi was a no show as far as anything for me. i used epi and methyl E i got a bottle of each. ph/ds have small effects on me.. on phera 40mg and halo 100mg for 6 weeks i put on like 10 lbs and hardend up a little. superdrol at 30mg for 4 weeks i got shredded and put on 8lbs.. test C + primo + Tbol i put on 35 lbs in 12 weeks.:hammer:
while it is true that Anadrol itself is not very androgenic, one of it's main metabolites is 17 methyl DHT which is very androgenic. Just like testosterone isn't all that androgenic, but once it is metabolized into DHT it is very androgenic.Poppy, you're talking about Winstrol right?
Another question I have is how gear like for example Oxymethelone - Anadrol does not bind to the AR receptor and yet is very androgenic?
really??? I loved it... although I WAS taking it at a respectable dose :hammer: lol.thats why i stear clear of anadrol, my one experience and 30lbs of water later will have me hating them forever. its like suqeezing a 20 week test cycle into 4 weeks... :donut:
wow thats so odd, I was taking 50-60mg as well and I actually bloated more on 35mg of dbol then Abombs.50 for 2 weeks 100 for 2 weeks. it honestly just bloated the hell out of me i was the pillsberry dough boy. i put on 30lbs in conjunction with test E but most of it i attrib to the anadrol. it was weird because even while on cycle i dropped almost 15lbs of water like 4 or 5 days after coming off. i did get strong as hell tho my bench shot up like 70 lbs in those 4 weeks along with almost 100 on squats and deadlift. if anadrol is to be used i would suggest it for strength purposes. Dbol and Tbol are much more effective at muscle gains but not as good for strength.
Poopy--- I don't mean to hijack or side-track this thread, but I have one really quick question for you. Is there an androgen profile list that you or someone (the Mods) can put up for all to see. I really prefer the more androgenic compounds over the mainly anabolic ones. I love strength and aggression!!:twisted:what??? even if its androgen profile isnt the highest (actually has a VERY high anabolic profile) it has one of the highest binding affinity for tha AR and exhibits very androgenic sides if any. It actually has more Anrdrogenic qualities rather then anabolic ones.
There IS a list.... but it wont include any of the current oral designers or even most of the "prohormone compounds" from preban.... also its not fully accurate for what your wanting to do.Poopy--- I don't mean to hijack or side-track this thread, but I have one really quick question for you. Is there an androgen profile list that you or someone (the Mods) can put up for all to see. I really prefer the more androgenic compounds over the mainly anabolic ones. I love strength and aggression!!:twisted:
I had seen the last 2 but not the first list. Thanks very much poopypants. You Da Man:box:!! Reps to poop-dog! I added all 3 lists to my favorites section for fast reference. I still would like to see a more detailed list regarding androgenicity versus anabolic potential. I love the strong androgens!! I really don't need more mass @ 265 lbs. But getting strong, cut, lean, dry, and hard are on my must-do list before summer!! I did lose 5 lbs. in the last 4 weeks on my TRN/TST combo and M-Dien cycle!!There IS a list.... but it wont include any of the current oral designers or even most of the "prohormone compounds" from preban.... also its not fully accurate for what your wanting to do.
Superdrol for instance is waaaaaaaay anabolic over androgenic, yet its dry, it makes you meaner then a mother and it makes you strong as all hell. Same with Epi and Phera too... even more so then SD they are both more anabolic profiled then androgenic but both known to be mean strength supps...
so good luck with using that list to actually find good strength compounds, your better off using user feedback and compound review profiles.
heres three....
this ones for all the well know big time compounds with fairly in depth reviews, profiles and half life times... even detection length times for guys that are tested for jobs or contests.
Steroids and Testosterone Profiles - Steroid.com
this one was an old sticky I believe and was for all the preban hormones... not super detailed but good enough especially if you just pay attention to what they convert into, then just refer to the list above.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/6298-prohormones-faq.html
this on was put together by thesinner and it includes his gathered feedback from most the postban designer compounds and will give you fairly accurate description of sides and benifits... remember though these are general and everyone responds differently... but it IS stickied at the top of the steroids section.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html#post797203
wow.... you need more then those???? lol.I had seen the last 2 but not the first list. Thanks very much poopypants. You Da Man:box:!! Reps to poop-dog! I added all 3 lists to my favorites section for fast reference. I still would like to see a more detailed list regarding androgenicity versus anabolic potential. I love the strong androgens!! I really don't need more mass @ 265 lbs. But getting strong, cut, lean, dry, and hard are on my must-do list before summer!! I did lose 5 lbs. in the last 4 weeks on my TRN/TST combo and M-Dien cycle!!
Thanks for all of your help poopypants! I also want desparately to try the new LG's MMV2. I have 2 old bottles of Primaforce MethylRage that I just started on last week. I feel it kicking in already:aargh:! But they won't last me forever. And it was the very LAST of it I could find too. Just wonder if the MMV2 is anywhere close to my MDHT? If LG would toss me a couple of free bottles, I'd do a first-rate job on a log of it. Please LG!!:box:wow.... you need more then those???? lol.
I want to try out MMV2 from LG, that just sounds sick for strength and cutting up.
Also theres always Var.... winny and its prostan precursors.... furaz... but basically all the legal ones your already taking... lol. TRN being the best IMO.
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