Hey, this is a GREAT forum you guys have...lots of knowledgeable folks.
I'm in my mid/late 30's and I've been lifting weights on and off for about 15 years. I believe I've made a lot of progress the last two years after getting back into it after some time off....in fact, I've probably made more progress than I would have expected. I'm about 5'10" and about 190 at 10% bf--and this is hydrostatically weighed. I think most people tend to underestimate, but I think hydro is pretty legit.
I guess I don't have any problems gaining or losing weight at all....but I'm at the point where when I gain weight, it's hard to gain muscle once I get over 185-190. I just tend to put on fat. When I get much below that, I can still lose weight but it tends not to reduce my bf% much because I start losing lean weight.
In order to get a little bit of help, about six weeks ago, I started a cycle of 1-test. Try not to laugh, but I selected Nutrex 1-TU. I'm here to tell you, that product might as well have been a sugar pill. I did a three week cycle of 300mg per day. I ate a very slightly hypercaloric diet, in part because I wanted to see what the prohormone would do....I already know what my diet is going to do or not do. Well, I gained a whopping 2 pounds in a three week cycle with NO change in body fat.
In other words, it had no effect at all. I also had no sides at all, other than a mild depression, which might have just been because of the money I was wasting!
Let me just say right now that what most people call "research" these days consists of surfing around to various message boards and gathering up the anecdotal evidence that supports their theories and discarding the anecdotal evidence that doesn't support what they want to hear! That's not research.
The more true research I have done, the less I find I believe in the efficacy of prohormones. The fact of the matter is that there really aren't any decent, peer-reviewed double-blind studies on human subjects. I mean, you can research blood serum levels all you want, but there are STILL a lot of steps between elevated blood serum levels and the training effects WE all want; namely muscle mass additions and/or better body composition.
The studies that I have found basically indicate that oral prohormones just don't work. Period. But I can't find ANYTHING on transdermals. Nothing.
That's where you guys come in.
I'm still trying to decide whether or not I even believe in this stuff. I'm not totally convinced that prohormones aren't just the next in a great line of supplement scams. But I believe that if ANYbody can help me sift through the deceit and find a good product and help me weigh the benefits, it's the fellas here.
I think I'd like to try ONE more cycle before I give up this. I'm also thinking that I should stack some 4-AD. Here is what I'm thinking in terms of options:
1) BDC's T-1 Pro. Not much difference to shake a stick at between this and LGP's version, I suppose. Either one would be great.
3) Super One+
2) Ergo's 1-AD (and 4-AD). I know, 1-AD is an oral, but the anecdotal evidence in its favor is overwhelming. The only reason I chose 1-TU in the first place was that I've heard 1-AD is awfully hard on the guts. I'm a little concerned about transdermals, quite honestly.
Now some questions. If they are too stupid, go ahead and flame away:
1) I'm not completelely stupid about dosing, but tell me if this is correct. If I did 1-AD at 600mg per day, that would be 4200mg per week. I've read that 1-AD survives oral ingestion at around 16%, so I should get 672 mg per week of the hormone? Is that correct? Then with T-1 Pro at 1 squirt twice per day, BDC says I would absorb 467mg of 1-test per week? (that's in the dosing sticky)
Is that an apples to apples comparison? If so, it looks like I'd get more 1-test with 1-AD....of course, at a higher cost, I understand. But depending on some of these other questions, I might be willing to pay more.
2) Did I read correctly that it would take 15 minutes of dry time after application BEFORE I could put on clothes? If so, that's literally 30 minutes per day of walking around nekkid and swinging. My morning schedule is tight already. If I've really got to wait 15 minutes to get dressed, the muscle gains BETTER be worth it! If I'm spending 30 minutes per day just waiting for it to dry, it's probably actually worth the additional cost for an oral....again IF AND ONLY IF my comparison above is truly apples to apples.
3) Do I really have to wear rubber gloves to apply a transdermal?
4) What is the difference between Avant's gel and BDC's gel? Is there a difference in terms of ease of application or drying time?
Sorry so long....