Epistane and 11-oxo, Good Stack?

[jamze7417]

im 22, been lifting 3-4 years, 6'2 201lbs. Im looking to run a lean bulking cycle of epistane/11-oxo. my support supplements are as folllows.

On cycle
cycle support
extend
vasocharge
possible creatine
multi
fish oil

Post cycle therapy
Post cycle support
Powerfull
Alphadrive
Multi
Creatine Stack
Vasocharge
Nolva (tamox)

Epistane 10/20/30/30
11-oxo (help with the dosages please)


My question is what should i dose the 11-oxo? Should i taper in or out like epi?

Also, This will be my first PH cycle, and i have a question. Will this cycle be more prone to bringing on gyno versus just a straight epi cycle?
Ive always had somewhat puffy nipples since a kid, no lumps or anything like that but by that, would that sign probably make me more prone to developing gyno? Any ideas. Thanks

Do you think this would be a good cycle to run?

Also, if im leaving anything out that i should add in here let me know.

 

[dsade]

IMO, this is a good stack.

I ran 300mg and had decent results (some hardening, quick reduction in waist circumference, increase in vascularity/strength) that was beyond what I attribute to an Epithio compound.

My wife ran low dose, though, and was miserable.

 

[neoborn]

I would check out my FAQ in my signature. I would say that you can leave out all the creatine / extend etc for post cycle therapy. For your cycle just do your support supps / vitamin / fish oil etc and the Epistane.

 

[jamze7417]

any comments on the gyno question? Also how should i does the 11 oxo... Ive heard 6 -8 pills a day when running alone, then ive also heard only 3-4 pills a day, Any ideas where i should start and if i need to ramp this up?

 

[jamze7417]

Anyone?

 

[bigdawg999]

epistane has been known to reduce exisiting gyno, so it shouldnt be too serious, but if you are sensitive make sure you have the nolva

 

[neoborn]

I think this cycle will be fine. Follow and read PCT post below:

Most Importantly!

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

SERM + P.C.T Guide

Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.

1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem

Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday

I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

Things To Note

1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT

3. Know what gyno is and the symptoms of gyno: @@@ Gyno Questions - Please Read This First @@@ - Bodybuilding.com Forums

4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:


5. Love your Liver!