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    myogenix Xtreme Tren-X


    Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione

    i guess its a clone of finigenx but, is it any good? how would this stack up to other PH's like Max LMG, Prop, Furaza?

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    yeah its an awesome product. it's tren/epistane together.
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    no your thinking of myogenix: spawn. this one is strictly a FinigenX clone.

    anyone know how strong this stuff is in a solo run, worthy of adding to a stack?
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    it is called spawn. it has estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione (30mg) and 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyletiocallocholanol (8mg) per pill. i wouldn't stack it with anything else, especially not 13-ethyl. Your prolactin levels would be sky high. it's a great product already and with low side effects.
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    i think my previous post was confusing, im just looking for feedback on their "xtreme tren" product, which is only the Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione (at 30mg caps) and does not contain and epistane, which i have already anyway
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    Since it's a progestin don't use an AI for post cycle therapy. AI's like ATD (Rebound, Inhibit-E) plus a progestin = delayed gyno. Make sure you have a serm on hand.
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    Its a 19-Nor prohormone to Dienolone, but its not a progestin. It is not a prohormone to trenbolone, but was marketed this way by Pharmagenx when it was initially released. It stacks well with dry compounds and can potentially cause spikes in prolactin. I would not stack this with a 13-ethyl progestin like a couple of companies are doing, so if anyone is considering an all-in-one with this as an ingredient, then you're likely playing with fire. I've used this twice since 2003. Once stacked with 1-T and once by itself. I had great gains both times and would recommend this to anyone. I used the regular Finigenx Magnum when I stacked it with 1-T and I ran Pharmagenx's (short-lived)Finigenx Magnum Liquid-Gels when I ran it solo. To the OP, the Tri-City Chemicals version(AKA Myogenix)gets very good feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    LOL, it wasn't confusing at all. PimpC is just confused. The product you are inquiring about, like you said, is STRICTLY estra-4 (aka) 19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3,17-dione. It supposedly converts into trenbolone acetate in the body. PimpC there is NO epistane in this product. You're thinking of their Spawn product. Orem, I haven't used this compound myself, but like I stated in my previous post, it'd be good to stack with something wet or you could just run it standalone. It gives muscle and strength gains along with some great hardness and vascularity. It's not supposed to aromatize or convert to DHT, but you will need a prolactin inhibitor while using it.
    i guess i should get some caber but, its so expensive, and b6 according to dinoiii isnt worthwhile when i asked about P-5-p
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Its a 19-Nor prohormone to Dienolone, but its not a progestin. It is not a prohormone to trenbolone, but was marketed this way by Pharmagenx when it was initially released. It stacks well with dry compounds and can potentially cause spikes in prolactin. I would not stack this with a 13-ethyl progestin like a couple of companies are doing, so if anyone is considering an all-in-one with this as an ingredient, then you're likely playing with fire. I've used this twice since 2003. Once stacked with 1-T and once by itself. I had great gains both times and would recommend this to anyone. I used the regular Finigenx Magnum when I stacked it with 1-T and I ran Pharmagenx's (short-lived)Finigenx Magnum Liquid-Gels when I ran it solo. To the OP, the Tri-City Chemicals version(AKA Myogenix)gets very good feedback.
    1)Any idea what the effective dose of this is? 90-120mg?
    2)you say its not a progestin, isnt it marketed as one?
    taken from website:
    Part of the progestin family of compounds, Xtreme TREN does not convert to estrogen or DHT, so there is no bloating or gyno. Combine the use of Xtreme TREN with intense workouts and a strict nutrition program and you will notice the difference, and so will everyone else!

    * Same ingredient but 1/2 the price of ACL TREN Xtreme 90 Caps

    * Fast acting capsules

    * Two molecules away from potent Trenbolone +

    * 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione is a progestin +

    * No DHT conversion or related hair loss or acne +

    * No estrogen conversion or related gyno or bloating +

    * Works directly at receptor level, no conversion needed +

    * Incredible muscle pump +

    * JUST FOR men looking to be bigger, leaner, harder, and stronger +

    * Use with proper nutrition and exercise

    * Part of the progestin family of compounds, XTREME TREN does not convert to estrogen or DHT, so there is no bloating or gyno.
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    * Combine the use of XTREME TREN with intense workouts and a strict nutrition program and you will notice the difference, and so will everyone else!
    * As a dietary supplement take 1 to 3 capsules at regular intervals daily with food. Do Not exceed 6 capsules per day. Take for a maximum of 6 to 8 weeks , then stop for at least 4 weeks before starting again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Its a 19-Nor prohormone to Dienolone, but its not a progestin. It is not a prohormone to trenbolone, but was marketed this way by Pharmagenx when it was initially released. It stacks well with dry compounds and can potentially cause spikes in prolactin. I would not stack this with a 13-ethyl progestin like a couple of companies are doing, so if anyone is considering an all-in-one with this as an ingredient, then you're likely playing with fire. I've used this twice since 2003. Once stacked with 1-T and once by itself. I had great gains both times and would recommend this to anyone. I used the regular Finigenx Magnum when I stacked it with 1-T and I ran Pharmagenx's (short-lived)Finigenx Magnum Liquid-Gels when I ran it solo. To the OP, the Tri-City Chemicals version(AKA Myogenix)gets very good feedback.
    It is a progestin. 19-Norandrosta = Estra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Since it's a progestin don't use an AI for post cycle therapy. AI's like ATD (Rebound, Inhibit-E) plus a progestin = delayed gyno. Make sure you have a serm on hand.
    on lean bulk they run post cycle therapy AI's and Cort inhibitors 2 weeks into post cycle therapy because of on cycle supression leading strong into pct initially. i thought they were pretty Interesting methods, makes sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    It is a progestin. 19-Norandrosta = Estra.
    That does not equal progestin, but thanks again. Try taking a look at Legal Gear's forum. We discussed this a bit last year and I think he may have reposted some of that info. on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T H E O R E M View Post
    i guess i should get some caber but, its so expensive, and b6 according to dinoiii isnt worthwhile when i asked about P-5-p
    Mucuna Pruriens is a potent dopaminergic and its readliy available for a good deal less than Cabergoline in either its research form or its Rx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T H E O R E M View Post
    1)Any idea what the effective dose of this is? 90-120mg?
    2)you say its not a progestin, isnt it marketed as one?
    taken from website:
    Yeah, most companies also market this as a Trenbolone percursors as well, but we also know this isn't accurate. 90-120mg is a good dosage for this product. I actually have three bottles of G.E.T.'s Tren250 that I plan on using in the future. I probably would have picked up the Xtreme Tren instead had I known that it was an effective clone last month. This is new info. to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    Hey Slow-Mun, not trying to hijack here, but what are your thoughts on methoxy-trn? I have 2 bottles to use in the future. I can't really decide what to stack it with.
    Is this the ALRI/Generic Labz version or KiloSports Trenadrol? We were having a pretty lengthy discussion about this on another forum. Some of us users believe that the Trenadrol version is a bit too harsh(back pumps, BP elevation) and effective to be unmethylated.
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    Finigenix Magnum
    Innovators: PharmagenX
    Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    Dosages: 50-75mg
    Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
    Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

    Ok so the Sinners been wrong all these years, thanks Slo. I'll let him know you said so. And no you can't argue with someone who know's everything. At least your name's fitting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Ok so the Sinners been wrong all these years, thanks Slo. I'll let him know you said so. And no you can't argue with someone who know's everything. At least your name's fitting.
    I'm not going to argue with you. Try posting your statement on Legal Gear's forum and seeing what responses you get. Maybe if I had the same screen name on this forum that I do on others(solomon1979), then you'd actually take some of what I post seriously. It makes no difference to me though, b/c you haven't even ran a cycle before and yet give advice as if you have been doing this for years. I can't win an arguement in the face of such overwhelming odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    ALRI Methoxy-Trn. I WAS going to get the Trenadrol, but after I read a label that stated 30mg as opposed to the original 3mg I said wtf? So I got the ALRI instead. I thought maybe it was just a misprint, but after talking to many differnt people who have newer bottles and looking at the bottles pictured on web retailers, they all STILL say 30mg. It seems that if it was a misprint, it would've been taken care of by now. Maybe there is something fishy about it then, since you mention it being more harsh in the sides department.
    User feedback seems to differ somewhat. Some that have ran both seem to think that Trenadrol is different(more effective with more sides). I actually haven't run either, but if I did, then I probably would only stack it with a non-aromitizing compound like Halo or Epi. BTW, 30mg would only make sense if it was a 19-Nor product. ALRI has publicly stated that Trenadrol is not the same as its Methoxy-TRN product, so who knows.....I think Dr.D was testing some Trenadrol samples against Methoxy-TRN, but he rarely posts here anymore to check what the outcome was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    I'm not going to argue with you. Try posting your statement on Legal Gear's forum and seeing what responses you get. Maybe if I had the same screen name on this forum that I do on others(solomon1979), then you'd actually take some of what I post seriously. It makes no difference to me though, b/c you haven't even ran a cycle before and yet give advice as if you have been doing this for years. I can't win an arguement in the face of such overwhelming odds.
    I could care less where you post, a lot of people who post admit they don't know shi! & just have a lot of time. So where'd you get your chemistry degree at? Do you have a degree at all? Running a cycle or not means nothing. Doctors know a lot about addiction and don't need to take drugs to do so. Post the studies showing this isn't a Tren pre and I won't say another word. Trust me I'd prefer not to waste time with people like you, just post up the proof or shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    I could care less where you post, a lot of people who post admit they don't know shi! & just have a lot of time. So where'd you get your chemistry degree at? Do you have a degree at all? Running a cycle or not means nothing. Doctors know a lot about addiction and don't need to take drugs to do so. Post the studies showing this isn't a Tren pre and I won't say another word. Trust me I'd prefer not to waste time with people like you, just post up the proof or shut up.
    Since you believe everything Patrick Arnold tells you then please look here-
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...igenx+is+a+lie
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Since you believe everything Patrick Arnold tells you then please look here-
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...igenx+is+a+lie
    if its not a progestin, is there a point in worrying about progestin sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Since you believe everything Patrick Arnold tells you then please look here-
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...igenx+is+a+lie
    Dude are you for real? Like I'd even look at anything on BB.com. That says it all about you right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T H E O R E M View Post
    if its not a progestin, is there a point in worrying about progestin sides?
    Yes, it still will have a negative impact on prolactin. You should still prep for them to be on the safe side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Dude are you for real? Like I'd even look at anything on BB.com. That says it all about you right there.
    I guess nothing will suffice then. I was really looking forward to you STFU too. I'm sure someone else will follow the link and explain it for you.
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    Ok well since you insist. I looked at your link at BaBies dot com. However it doesn't say anywhere there that 19-Norandrosta-4,9 diene-3,17 dione is not a progestin. PA does say it isn't a pre to Tren but it is still active, nothing about whether it's a progestin or not. And where do I say I believe everything PA says? Put a link to this... Because he answers a question for me I believe everything he says? I've read some stuff PA said which was very true and some he wrote which was completely wrong. Also where'd your BS in chem come from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bassgod272 View Post
    Here you go genius. Directly from your God, PA himself over at bb.com. Yea, that's where he posts the most often. "This product is not a trenbolone precursor. It is a readily avaiable chemical intermediate from china. It can chemically be made into trenbolone but in the body it cannot. IT is missing a double bond in the 11 position. the body cannot add the double bond, it must be done chemically in a reaction. you are being lied to. later" Oh, and also, " YOu may be confused. The chemical structure of this product was clearly stated to be estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione. There is no amibiguity in regards to whether or not this can function as a biological trenbolone precursor - it cannot. That is where the lie is, in the claims of the marketer. The product may still have some activity. I stated that. HOwever, according to the literature the conversion steroid (estra-4,9-diene-17b-ol,3-one) should not be as potent as trenbolone." SO with that being said; STFU
    PA God? Where I say that? Link me? Very untrue. Hell even if he was it's be better than you having Slo-mun as a god Where's your degree from BG? Hell you're the one who believes prolactin bulid-up is the reason certain people got delayed gyno from Superdrol. It's cool stupid people have a tendency to stick together - very clear here. I'll respond more to you 2's antics later. I got better things to do on a Saturday night than sit in front of this thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T H E O R E M View Post
    Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione

    i guess its a clone of finigenx but, is it any good? how would this stack up to other PH's like Max LMG, Prop, Furaza?
    I appologize for wrecking your thread. It happens sometimes............
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    I appologize for wrecking your thread. It happens sometimes............
    I apologize Slo wrecked your thread too. By saying 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene was not a progestin, this is where it all began. Dienolone? No. If it doesn't convert to Tren the other thing it could be is nandrolone. Back to the original reason you started to argue with me, 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene-3,17 is a progestin. Slo like I said post a link to proof that itís not, not a gay BB dot com link with a bunch of useless chatter. YouĎre can't you just admit when you're wrong instead of ruining thread after thread. What 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene- 3,17 dione AKA Estra 4,9 diene-3,17 dione converts to isnít the issue. Personally Iím not 100% certain what it converts to and donĎt care, I was just going by what the manufacture advertises it as - pre tren (two molecules away). But in any case judging by its chemical make up it IS a progestin. It converts to either tren or nandrolone and either way - it's a progestin.

    http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...-durabolin.htm

    Bass you were right - why would anyone want to argue with Slo - itís a waste of time. Slo itís a shame because some companies can be made or broken by forums. Youíre the poster boy for the main reason why some companies image can get shafted by some know it all jerk-off rep. I know with a gig like yours you donít get paid or anything but Iím sure you get a free bottle of creatine here & there. So youíre in a forum representing a company yet you go around criticize what others say just because they disagreed with one of your boyfriends in the past? And the best part is you start these arguments purposely (even when wrong) then try and blame it on me. Wow what kind of image does that portray? Most companies like people to rep them that respect others views & opinions especially customers & consumers. As company rep should show the utmost respect and even when the consumer is wrong never should a rep attack their opinion. You truly are a tool, any company would be proud going out of business with you by their side. Keep up the great work! As for you Bass - never mind thatís way too easy. Whereíd you two get your Masters degrees? What you guys do for a living in real life? Sorry if I'm being an ass but it was all started wrongly just like how you (Slo) hijacked 2 of my threads to say useless shi! just to try and argue - get a life. Then again maybe there's an apology in the 2 threads I started that you entered rambling stupid crap that had nothing to do with my threads but judging from your charactor I doubt it. Bass - Slo just make sure I get an invite when you two queers get hitched, peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    I apologize Slo wrecked your thread too. By saying 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene was not a progestin, this is where it all began. Dienolone? No. If it doesn't convert to Tren the other thing it could be is nandrolone.
    It is a prohormone and its target hormone is Dienolone. I can't believe you think that if its not Tren then it must be Nandrolone. I think if you'd have been around for the first couple of waves of prohormones then you might have a different opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Bass you were right - why would anyone want to argue with Slo - it’s a waste of time. Slo it’s a shame because some companies can be made or broken by forums. You’re the poster boy for the main reason why some companies image can get shafted by some know it all jerk-off rep. I know with a gig like yours you don’t get paid or anything but I’m sure you get a free bottle of creatine here & there. So you’re in a forum representing a company yet you go around criticize what others say just because they disagreed with one of your boyfriends in the past? And the best part is you start these arguments purposely (even when wrong) then try and blame it on me. Wow what kind of image does that portray? Most companies like people to rep them that respect others views & opinions especially customers & consumers. As company rep should show the utmost respect and even when the consumer is wrong never should a rep attack their opinion. You truly are a tool, any company would be proud going out of business with you by their side. Keep up the great work!
    So you blame Axis Labs for PWNing you and not me? I feel cheated somehow. I believe I've done all of the work. Anyhow, I guess you believe that I should be some sort of "yes sir," drone and agree with your obviously, inaccurate assessments for the good of the company that I represent. I'm pretty sure the majority of reps around the various boards would quit if they were forced to act this way for free product. Nothing I say is the opinion of the owners of Axis Labs. They are good people and I have never claimed to be an authority on anything. I've used most of the products that I talk about, so that's where the bulk of my knowledge comes from. Most people would agree that experience does count for alot concerning the usage of AAS/PH/PS's.
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    slow-- im doubting you, but was curious if you could explain to me what would constitute a hormone as a progestin. im just confused on what makes a progestin a progestin and how it is different for other androgens? i have been wondering that of sometime so if you could enlighten me it would be very helpful. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    I apologize Slo wrecked your thread too. By saying 19-Norandrosta 4,9 diene was not a progestin, this is where it all began. Dienolone? No. If it doesn't convert to Tren the other thing it could be is nandrolone.
    Where are you getting your chemical info. Anyone who has taken any Organic Chem should know this converts to dienolone. I have stated this many, many times on this site myself and I am NOT one of the most knowledable people here. Nandrolone does not have a 9,10 double bond. Tren also has a double bond at the 11th carbon.
    Every heard of M-Dien? Throw an methyl on a 17a and make this 17-keto a 17b hydroxy there it is. So lets see. We have had how many dione prohormones in the past? The whole point with a dione is to convert the 17-keto to a hydroxyl group. So if it converts to unmethylated M-dien what is that. Dien? What did you think Dien stood for? Dienolone!
    Sorry just had to go off when you were calling these guys out for their degrees when they were right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heebs10 View Post
    slow-- im doubting you, but was curious if you could explain to me what would constitute a hormone as a progestin. im just confused on what makes a progestin a progestin and how it is different for other androgens? i have been wondering that of sometime so if you could enlighten me it would be very helpful. thanks
    While not being slow, the most common thing I've notice while looking at the structures of progesterone/progesting is that none of them simply have a 17-oh or 17-keto. Here is progesterone:

    All progestins are synthetic modifications on this.
    I looked at 21 different progestin structures and they were all different. 19-nor seemed to have nothing to do with them being a progestin though. Progesterone is not a 19-nor and:
    Progesterone is a C-21 steroid hormone involved in the female menstrual cycle, pregnancy (supports gestation) and embryogenesis of humans and other species. Progesterone belongs to a class of hormones called progestogens, and is the major naturally occurring human progestogen.

    Progesterone should not be confused with progestins, which are synthetically produced progestogens.
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    sex hormone activity has nothing to do with DSHEA compliance. DSHEA compliance is an issue having to do with being found in food or other things

    you are thinking DEA issue. that is more complicated. there is an exemption for progestins on there but its not so simple

    besides, most of these componunds people are calling progestins are not really progestins. they share vague chemical similarity with known pharmaceutical progestins and maybe have slight progestational activity but in my expert opinion would NOT fall into the category of progestin. they would be considered in the androgen class.

    case in point would be estra-4,9-dien-3,17-dione
    progestin is something that has progestational activity. but the complicated thing is most androgens have a certain degree of progestational activity (albeit minor for most)

    its really a subjective call. certainly something like norethindrone from birth control pills can be considered a progestin (even though it has substantial androgenic activity). and then norethandrolone would be considered an androgen (even though it is very close in structure to norethindrone and has substantial progestational activity)
    then there is the chemical aspect of what is a progestin

    there are two classes of progestins - the C20-keto progestins such as classic progesterone and its derivatives, and the 17alpha-ethynyl estren derivatives such as norethindrone and norgestrel

    i would think anything that is not in these structural classes would not be considered a progestin by an authority in this field. the only supplement i am aware of that fit this definition was the stuff that was in the old methyl-1-p (which was a C20-keto derivative
    then there is the chemical aspect of what is a progestin

    there are two classes of progestins - the C20-keto progestins such as classic progesterone and its derivatives, and the 17alpha-ethynyl estren derivatives such as norethindrone and norgestrel

    i would think anything that is not in these structural classes would not be considered a progestin by an authority in this field. the only supplement i am aware of that fit this definition was the stuff that was in the old methyl-1-p (which was a C20-keto derivative
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    Ha, our boy Z just went and asked PA over on MD about it being a progestin. Wonder if he'll come back a little more humble? Or if he'll even come back.
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    thanks for the info J. reps
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    Where are you getting your chemical info. Anyone who has taken any Organic Chem should know this converts to dienolone. I have stated this many, many times on this site myself and I am NOT one of the most knowledable people here. Nandrolone does not have a 9,10 double bond. Tren also has a double bond at the 11th carbon.
    Every heard of M-Dien? Throw an methyl on a 17a and make this 17-keto a 17b hydroxy there it is. So lets see. We have had how many dione prohormones in the past? The whole point with a dione is to convert the 17-keto to a hydroxyl group. So if it converts to unmethylated M-dien what is that. Dien? What did you think Dien stood for? Dienolone!
    Sorry just had to go off when you were calling these guys out for their degrees when they were right.
    Thanks for the info.. I wouldn't have been able to explain things as eloquently or without losing my cool again. Reps to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Mucuna Pruriens is a potent dopaminergic and its readliy available for a good deal less than Cabergoline in either its research form or its Rx.
    could you be more specific in terms of extract or standards of this. This is just stardard "L-dopa"? or "1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol)"?

    id like to get which ever is tried and true to work
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    1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol(3,4 diol) is Mucuna Pruriens standardized for L-Dopa and would be a good choice for a mucana product. As would Lipo-PM.
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    awesome, thanks guys repped
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