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    2 Nosebleeds in 2 consec. mornings on Havoc


    I had a nosebleed when I woke up yesterday and had a smaller one when I woke up this morning. I'm on Day 14 of Havoc at 30 mg (started at 10, 20 first week). I take Cycle Support, but am pretty sure it isn't mixing all the way, so I may be a little short on some of the support stuff.

    I'm starting 1200 mg of Hawthorn Berries on top of the 1000 mg of it in CS. Is there anything else I can do to help remedy this? Anything else I should be taking? I haven't had headaches, but not sure of anything else. I'm assuming this is blood pressure. I ran a 3 week cycle of M-Drol, and didn't have any nose bleeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyroom28 View Post
    I'm starting 1200 mg of Hawthorn Berries on top of the 1000 mg of it in CS. Is there anything else I can do to help remedy this? Anything else I should be taking? I haven't had headaches, but not sure of anything else. I'm assuming this is blood pressure. I ran a 3 week cycle of M-Drol, and didn't have any nose bleeds.
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    you may try to add some more celery seed extract (should be available in any health food store or similar).

    hawthorn is generally considered to be very slow acting and apparently needs a rather long time of preload to work. did you preload the CS?

    also, try to measure your BP, maybe it's not as bad as it looks if you don't have headaches, dizzyness, etc.

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    heard garlic is good for blood pressure, not sure how it works with roids tho
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    I had two weeks of unexplained nosebleeds 2-3 times a day. I too was very concerned. I finally went and saw a Eyes,Ears, Nose and Throat Specialist. He told me nosebleeds and high blood pressure is a myth.

    I had two broken blood vessels. He knew I worked out and I told him of the supplements I was taking (some being PS/PH).
    He said that had nothing to do with it. That is was probably from lifting heavy weight.

    My nosebleeds did always happen at the gym during (and he guessed it) my bench press workout.

    He told me to use a water based lubricant in my nose every morning and night such as bacitracin. Also to have on hand, Afrin nasal spray. And when I get a nosebleed, put 4-5 drops of Afrin on a Q-Tip or tissue and swab the inside of my nose. The antihisimine in Afrin reduces or shrinks the blood vessels to help stop the bleed. The average nosebleed is 5-7 minutes long.The lubricant keeps the nose from getting dry crusties, that, when picked, can cause another bleed. And to try not to lift heavy for a couple of weeks until the vessels repair themselves.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmccity View Post
    I had two weeks of unexplained nosebleeds 2-3 times a day. I too was very concerned. I finally went and saw a Eyes,Ears, Nose and Throat Specialist. He told me nosebleeds and high blood pressure is a myth.

    I had two broken blood vessels. He knew I worked out and I told him of the supplements I was taking (some being PS/PH).
    He said that had nothing to do with it. That is was probably from lifting heavy weight.

    My nosebleeds did always happen at the gym during (and he guessed it) my bench press workout.

    He told me to use a water based lubricant in my nose every morning and night such as bacitracin. Also to have on hand, Afrin nasal spray. And when I get a nosebleed, put 4-5 drops of Afrin on a Q-Tip or tissue and swab the inside of my nose. The antihisimine in Afrin reduces or shrinks the blood vessels to help stop the bleed. The average nosebleed is 5-7 minutes long.The lubricant keeps the nose from getting dry crusties, that, when picked, can cause another bleed. And to try not to lift heavy for a couple of weeks until the vessels repair themselves.
    Good luck.
    hmmm... i usually never ever have nosebleeds - unless at abut w3 of a cycle of havoc or similar, when i also get a concommitant rise in blood pressure (measured).

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    I just remembered...both of my nosebleeds came from only the left nostril. I used to have a lot of nosebleeds from only that nostril. Would this rule out high BP?

    Also, no I did not load CS.
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    If you have a broken blood vessel in your nose, and your blood pressure is increased....then you are more likely to get a nosebleed. So there is a connection to blood pressure and nosebleeds. Your Dr is a moron if he/she cannot see the correlation there.
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    Are you are referring to increased blood pressure due to working out? Obviously there is a correllation, especially with broken blood vessels. Duh! But if you're referring to someone who has high blood pressure due to medical reasons, there is no correllation.
    Broken blood vessels could happen from sneezing, infections, and etc.

    Which were you referring to? Are you a doctor? If not, what moron would call a medical professional a moron.

    Answer: Only a moron!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmccity View Post
    I had two weeks of unexplained nosebleeds 2-3 times a day. I too was very concerned. I finally went and saw a Eyes,Ears, Nose and Throat Specialist. He told me nosebleeds and high blood pressure is a myth.

    I had two broken blood vessels. He knew I worked out and I told him of the supplements I was taking (some being PS/PH).
    He said that had nothing to do with it. That is was probably from lifting heavy weight.

    My nosebleeds did always happen at the gym during (and he guessed it) my bench press workout.

    He told me to use a water based lubricant in my nose every morning and night such as bacitracin. Also to have on hand, Afrin nasal spray. And when I get a nosebleed, put 4-5 drops of Afrin on a Q-Tip or tissue and swab the inside of my nose. The antihisimine in Afrin reduces or shrinks the blood vessels to help stop the bleed. The average nosebleed is 5-7 minutes long.The lubricant keeps the nose from getting dry crusties, that, when picked, can cause another bleed. And to try not to lift heavy for a couple of weeks until the vessels repair themselves.

    Good luck.
    Very nice post. The whole nosebleed/blood pressure issue is completely blown out of proportion. Nosebleeds more often than not are attributed to either a coagulopathy(someone taking a blood thinner i.e coumadin or underlying hematological issue), trauma to the area, or excessively dry mucous membranes resulting in impaired intergrity of the vasculature within the nasal mucousa. Excessively dry mucous membranes is commonly the cause of epistaxis(nosebleed) in a healthy individual. If you live in an area with low humidity this can become an issue. Using an air humidifier at night, saline nasal sprays, and water based lubrication can prevent these episodes from occurance.

    As far as controlling an active issue of bleeding, i personally recommend neo-synephrine(phenylephrine) nasal spray. It's a potent vasoconstrictor that we use all the time in the E.R. for epistaxis(nosebleed)control. A hypertensive state can cause a nosebleed especially in nasal mucousa vasculature that it already impaired, however it's not by any means the most frequent cause of a nosebleed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyroom28 View Post
    I had a nosebleed when I woke up yesterday and had a smaller one when I woke up this morning. I'm on Day 14 of Havoc at 30 mg (started at 10, 20 first week). I take Cycle Support, but am pretty sure it isn't mixing all the way, so I may be a little short on some of the support stuff.

    I'm starting 1200 mg of Hawthorn Berries on top of the 1000 mg of it in CS. Is there anything else I can do to help remedy this? Anything else I should be taking? I haven't had headaches, but not sure of anything else. I'm assuming this is blood pressure. I ran a 3 week cycle of M-Drol, and didn't have any nose bleeds.

    Thanks!
    The fact that you've had nosebleeds may just be purely a coincidence and have nothing to do with the fact you're taking havoc. Have you had similar episodes of nosebleeds over the years? Do you live in a climate with low humidity? Have you checked your blood pressure?

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    Same thing happened to me on Havoc despite taking cycle support. I checked my blood pressure though and it was fine.

    It is winter time and really dry out...that's probably a very likely candidate.

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    Trauma - I'll be checking my BP later today. Yes, it could easily be a coincidence. It got randomly hot here one day, then back down to freezing and I got a little bit of a head cold/sore throat. So it could be that, but it could also be the BP issue so I thought I'd see what you guys had to say about it. I've noticed a somewhat "flushed" feeling and a possible headache, which knowing myself, is probably a pseudo headache.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeyroom28 View Post
    Trauma - I'll be checking my BP later today. Yes, it could easily be a coincidence. It got randomly hot here one day, then back down to freezing and I got a little bit of a head cold/sore throat. So it could be that, but it could also be the BP issue so I thought I'd see what you guys had to say about it. I've noticed a somewhat "flushed" feeling and a possible headache, which knowing myself, is probably a pseudo headache.
    A rapid change in weather conditions can reak "havoc"(pun intended ) on drying out your nasal mucousa while impairing the integrity of the vasculature. Check that b/p and utilize some of the suggestions for prevention and see how it works out. Let us know how it goes bro.

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    OK thanks. I'm gonna try Celery Seed Extract, and hopefully my cold gets better so I'll see what it really is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badfish51581 View Post
    Same thing happened to me on Havoc despite taking cycle support. I checked my blood pressure though and it was fine.

    It is winter time and really dry out...that's probably a very likely candidate.

    Joe
    winter/dry air wrecks havoc on me also...
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    Thank you, Trauma.
    BTW, great vernacular.
    Hopefully Lacradocious (expialadocious) is reading this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badfish51581 View Post

    It is winter time and really dry out...that's probably a very likely candidate.

    Joe
    Exactly. Although you should be monitoring your BP regularly when on an androgen, its most likely just due to the dry air. Get yourself an air humidifier in your bedroom while you sleep if it becomes a real problem.

    And dude, just keep your finger out of there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Very nice post. The whole nosebleed/blood pressure issue is completely blown out of proportion. Nosebleeds more often than not are attributed to either a coagulopathy(someone taking a blood thinner i.e coumadin or underlying hematological issue), trauma to the area, or excessively dry mucous membranes resulting in impaired intergrity of the vasculature within the nasal mucousa. Excessively dry mucous membranes is commonly the cause of epistaxis(nosebleed) in a healthy individual. If you live in an area with low humidity this can become an issue. Using an air humidifier at night, saline nasal sprays, and water based lubrication can prevent these episodes from occurance.

    As far as controlling an active issue of bleeding, i personally recommend neo-synephrine(phenylephrine) nasal spray. It's a potent vasoconstrictor that we use all the time in the E.R. for epistaxis(nosebleed)control. A hypertensive state can cause a nosebleed especially in nasal mucousa vasculature that it already impaired, however it's not by any means the most frequent cause of a nosebleed.
    If you don't mind me asking, what kinda work do you do in the ER? Physician? EMT? Nurse?

    Just curious...
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    If you don't mind me asking, what kinda work do you do in the ER? Physician? EMT? Nurse?

    Just curious...
    7 years in emergency room as an RN. I'm actually looking to go on to nurse anesthetist here very shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    7 years in emergency room as an RN. I'm actually looking to go on to nurse anesthetist here very shortly.
    Thats awesome...I've got a lot of respect for nurses. One of my good friends from undergrad just started at the nurse anesthetist program at UB. Really bright girl.

    But that's a hell of a profession to get yourself into. Financially nurse anesthetists do very well for themselves, that's for sure. Good luck man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Thats awesome...I've got a lot of respect for nurses. One of my good friends from undergrad just started at the nurse anesthetist program at UB. Really bright girl.

    But that's a hell of a profession to get yourself into. Financially nurse anesthetists do very well for themselves, that's for sure. Good luck man.
    Thanks quigs. I still have a lot of work to do to get there, but i'm motivated and ready to do so. I'm still debating whether i want to stay in a more practitoner role of Physician Assistant or Nurse Practitioner. Either way i look forward to the challenges and rewards that await me.

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    Hope everything works out for ya!!

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