never fully recovered. PCT years later?
- 02-14-2008, 05:08 AM
never fully recovered. PCT years later?
as the title implies i did a few cycles a while back with proper PCT from an ancillary company. of course these companies arent regualted so who knows if my liquid nolva or liquid clomid was legit. unfortunately i have never felt like a have fully recovered. i am just not the same. i have gone to many doctors with hope they would see eye to eye with me but not surprisingly i was not succesful. my hormone levels have always been in the "normal" ranges but far from the "optimal" ranges. so after i long time without recieving any help from doctors that i paid to waste my time, i have decided to try to take matters into my own hands just for a bit. i was thinking of experimentinq with some anti estrogens just to see if i feel anything. i want to try something that could eventually be used long term if i feel better. do any experts have any suggestion and could point me in the right direction? letro? arimidex? nolva? that new nolva that DR D. liked? any help is appreciated
- 02-14-2008, 07:34 AM
What was your cycle/post cycle therapy? How long ago was this cycle? Was this your first cycle?
Sounds like it could all be in your head if you've been tested and your hormone ranges are normal.
- 02-14-2008, 07:53 AM
What about Dermacrine Sustain (Sustain Alpha)? Thats probably what I would try, since it is legally available and would probably help.
Nolva seems to be better for preventing gyno than it is for bounce back of the 'boys'. I have seen studies where Clomid was used to treat low LH and Testosterone.
The closest thing I can find to Clomid legally would be Sustain Alpha.
02-14-2008, 08:55 AM
Did you take progestins during your cycle?
02-14-2008, 10:26 AM
there are a couple VERY good threads in the PCT section on guys who had this same problem, and btw nothing like HCG and tor to make sure you come back 110%
02-14-2008, 12:32 PM
02-14-2008, 04:37 PM
02-15-2008, 06:23 AM
all i did was m1t. nothing else. i did not take anything else. this was about 2 years ago.
my main complaint is erections that are not as hard. libido is down. a slight amount of bloat maybe. i feel tired and down. i just dont feel alive.
i can go to an online pharmacy and get some generic scripts (clomid, amrimadex, etc) which i almost prefer cuz they seem to be more reliable as far as quality and research. but really i just want the best whether it be a supplement or script.
were you guys taking 6oxo orally or transdermal? i hate transdermal.
02-15-2008, 06:26 AM
i really dont know where to get hcg. if i took it, and it worked i guess that would narrow my problem to my hypothalimus(sp).
02-15-2008, 07:02 AM
02-15-2008, 07:06 AM
i have been to 4 doctors. 3 of them did not give a flying ****. which the did not hide in their 30 second consultations. one endo actually seemed to care but my syptoms were not severe enough to rate medication. although my hormones were low they were still in the normal range. he sympathyzed with me however he could not prescribe me anything which i understand. most doctors are not familiar with using serms and AIs in males.
02-15-2008, 07:29 AM
02-15-2008, 10:07 AM
that would be cool to go back on cycle and all but my hair is thinner now thanks to the m1t. so thats not really something i am interested in doing. why do you think going back on cycle would help?
02-15-2008, 10:16 AM
You should probably go see Dr. John. He's probably the only doctor who will be able to help you.
02-15-2008, 10:39 AM
02-15-2008, 10:44 AM
02-15-2008, 10:47 AM
02-15-2008, 10:56 AM
Nolvadex xt makes me bounce back so well that I got gyno from too much test last cycle after pct.
02-15-2008, 10:57 AM
02-15-2008, 01:29 PM
02-16-2008, 11:32 AM
yeah man if you went on, you would be shut down. it would suppress me even more.
so does anyone have any suggestions?
the nolvadex xt sounds like **** to me. if you got gyno on it, obviously it did nothing for suppressin estrogen which is supposed to be its main mechanism for boosting test. just thinking out loud
02-18-2008, 07:26 AM
02-18-2008, 08:05 AM
Go back on cycle with something mildly suppressive like h-drol or epistane. Then use an agressive post cycle therapy with something like: Nolva/clomid mix, hyperdrol, and a good natty test booster like diesel test. If this doesn't get you up and running, nothing will. This might be one of your only options besides seeeing an good endo and possibly hrt.
02-18-2008, 08:23 AM
02-19-2008, 03:19 PM
02-19-2008, 03:28 PM
I saw someone mention in another thread that it may be better to run another cycle, get shut down to nil, then w/ a heavy post cycle therapy, attempt to raise your baseline. Kind of like reseting a clock.
This is just what I read... may not be worth a crap.
02-19-2008, 03:28 PM
EDIT: Found what I was looking for, food for thought and not necessary a recommendation. Start reading from that post down:
Erectile Problems after PCT
02-20-2008, 10:16 AM
thanks for the links man. like said before i am noit really interested in losing more hair. what is the cheapest way to shut myself down. Havoc?
i ordered some generic arimidex from an online pharmacy. i think i am gonna try that as a standalone test booster before i try anymore anabolics.
02-21-2008, 12:31 AM
You could try Halodrol 50, it is much milder and wouldn't totally shut you down, then hit it hard with an aggressive post cycle. The only reason I suggest this for you is that Halodrol 50 is very low in the androgenic side effect category, meaning you wouldn't have to worry about hair loss. You also wouldn't really require a prescription SERM, since it's much milder. However, you could use a SERM anyway, and several OTC products to make a really great post cycle, and hope to recover to a more stable range.
02-21-2008, 01:04 AM
to my knowledge halodrol 50 does not even have any androgens in it. it has gotten horrible reviews. i dont think it is even capable of shutting someone down.
02-21-2008, 10:47 AM
I think you are thinking of Halodrol Liquigels. Haladrol 50 is no longer sold and did have an androgen in it.
02-21-2008, 11:05 AM
yes i am thinking of the liquigels. since the 50 is not sold anymore then that is kind of a pointless. hhmm, i think if i tried anything it should be something test based
02-21-2008, 12:56 PM
I think there are clones/equivalents still being sold.
I pulled this list from a post on another forum:
EST - Hemadrol
CEL - H-Drol
Fast Action - H-Drol
Juggernaut Nutrition - Oral Turinadrol
Webber - Methandrol-50
Generic Labz - Mega-H
Prometabolix - HMAX 1.0
02-22-2008, 04:46 AM
02-25-2008, 07:18 PM
Oh man, you're not a computer, I don't know that a re-boot is going to work for you. How about trying either dermacrine sustain or AI Post Cycle Support along with another test booster and see if that doesn't bounce you back a month later.
02-25-2008, 07:21 PM
You should read more then about H-Drol..........
Last edited by RoidGracie; 02-25-2008 at 07:22 PM. Reason: Double Post
02-25-2008, 11:34 PM
yeah i am not gonna do more roids to fix the problem that roids got me into. unless i am in an "if all else fails" situation. let me look up this dermicrine you speak of.
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