What is going on in the US???!!!WTF
02-03-2008 01:22 PM
What is going on in the US???!!!WTF
02-03-2008 05:41 PM
back when my dad was working with max muscle he was telling me about this. the fda is out of control.
02-03-2008 06:33 PM
The FDA and America is out of control. Don't take me wrong, I am 100% American, but I hate the direction the government is heading. Every action the government makes is based upon extending there power and influence and increasing profits, all while making the general masses easier to control. There is so many more important and more life affecting issues out there that our government could be focusing on, but instead they want to take down supplement companies and worry about harmless steroid users.
02-03-2008 06:34 PM
This is only a small part of the corruption and greed rampant in the world. Were embarking on a crazy ride to the destruction of humankind and the world we live in. I dont get the incessant need to accumulate money and die rich at the cost of ruining lives.
02-03-2008 06:52 PM
Originally Posted by drewh10987
02-03-2008 07:39 PM
Yeah this is so fuc!ed up. It seems like the FDA's easily becoming one of the most corrupt branches of the US gov't. Like how there's prescription drugs available in Canada & other countries that are made by the EXACT same companies in most cases and always with the exact same formulations as US "FDA approved" meds - but in Canada & other countires they're 50% or more cheaper. It'd be great for seniors on a fixed income and those without insurance who can't afford their meds but the US/FDA says it's illegal to import these meds even though they're the exact same thing only much cheaper. Why? Because even though they're identical meds, since they're not manufactured in the US, the FDA/US gov't doesn't make a percentage off of them like they do off of the ones that are made in the US here. Yet the FDA gives the reason to why this's illegal as being 'since they're made in another country they may not be safe.' Yet most are made by the same US based company with 100% the exact same formula & process. I don't even wanna get started on this...
02-03-2008 07:43 PM
to me there is nothing wrong with this. Who here wants to take supplements that aren't tested by the manufacturer, are put together in a facility that doesn't need to be checked ever by an outside authority, and by a mom and pop operation who if it happens they mislabel something or cross contaminate don't have enough money to sue to be able to cover your medical costs?
I know I don't. I think this sort of thing is a good idea.
02-03-2008 07:49 PM
People have the rights to choose an inferior manufacturer, i can be fat dumb and illiterate. If we were protected and advocated for by our governments for health reasons we would not purchase over the counter addictive carcinogens.
Originally Posted by EasyEJL
02-03-2008 07:53 PM
I think if the FDA wants to approve and test vitamins & supplements that could possibly be a good thing when it comes to quality & the consumer. Though I think they shouldn't force people to go their way only and in the end we should be left with a choice.
02-03-2008 07:55 PM
Again the cigarettes have the warning on the side. Are you saying the supplements should have a warning "this bottle may or may not have the ingredients listed on the label in it" ?
It is a significant issue of consumer safety when you don't know what is actually in the product. Look what even happened recently within the bodybuilding community. Competititve Edge Labs sold a batch of M1,4ADD that wasn't. It tests similar to DHEA, but that is after the fact. What if it had been something heavily carcinocenic, or far more liver toxic? Strychnine even. CEL would close down before a lawsuit from a death, and would probably just reopen with a new name. Not quite the way i want my "health supplements" to work out
02-03-2008 08:00 PM
02-03-2008 08:03 PM
Its the difference of being older. I don't want to give my 3 year old "Organic food based vitamins" that happen to have some mercury or lead in them because they used crappy equipment or never tested their raws
02-03-2008 08:32 PM
I dont mind the FDA setting higher standards for supplement companies. I will flip out if they decide to BAN nutritional supplements.
02-03-2008 08:55 PM
Quality control needs to be there definitely but when they hijack vitamin companies so they can 'quality control' stuff that's already ISO approved for quality it's obvious what their intentions are. ISO standards are actually more strict than the FDA's own process in some cases. It's always been the American way to have a choice. You always get what you pay for and most people (me included) are willing to spend a bit extra to be certain the quality is there. I just don't think people should be forced to. Otherwise I'd move to North Korea. PH's are strange topic when it comes to quality control. I think most realize it's only a matter of time before all the most popular PH's are banned. If I were a betting man, which I'm not though, I'd say before summer without a doubt. The heats already on certain companies by the fda.
02-03-2008 10:26 PM
It's not that I don't think their should be regulations and standards for supplements. I just see this as a first step in a chain of events that is going to have a very negative effect on the supplement community.
02-03-2008 10:32 PM
I think part of my problem is I feel that if the FDA is more involved in the supplement industry, then its going to be a lot harder for companies to put out PH's and DS's. So yes regulations might make things safer, but for someone who wants to use these kind of products, I can definitely see the end approaching. Personally I think that real gear is always the better route anyways, but I still like the option/availability of the over the counter anabolics.
02-03-2008 11:03 PM
I'm with ya Drew. I'm not trying to argue on here, these are just my opinions and like *******s everyone has one, or so goes the saying. Good commercial with Big Ben during the Superbowl, you from Pitt?
02-03-2008 11:19 PM
Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you... -Nirvana
Originally Posted by Brian5225
"I read it on the internet - it MUST be true!!!"
If you want reliable news, you should strive to find a source that isn't so radically slanted in one direction or the other - that story was EXTREMELY biased, which means they will tend to ignore facts and/or present their opinions as fact.
Ask yourself "Is the government really going to allow them to put someone like the makers of Centrum or Vitamin C tablets out of business?"
Think about whether or not something makes sense before believing it.
02-03-2008 11:28 PM
I'm not personally from Pittsburgh, but all my family is and no that commercial was terrible. None of the guys I was watching the game with were Steelers fans and they all gave me hell about it the rest of the night.
Originally Posted by Ziquor
02-03-2008 11:39 PM
Yeah of all the commercials BB had to do that one. And Phil, I'm young enough to be an ignorant prick but yet old enough to the point where I only believe what I want to anyhow so I'm a lost cause. Besides after I found out about you & my mom I haven't been the same.