1st timer - Superdrol or somethin milder?
02-02-2008 05:51 PM
1st timer - Superdrol or somethin milder?
Yo, I been liftin for over 8 years now. I'm 28 / 5'10 / 205# / 14% bf. I plan on eatin over 3,500 cal/day wit a 20/40/40 f/c/p diet. I want mass mainly and I already got cycle support, post cyc support, livercare, Retain, and I also got access to tamoxifen through my boy if I need it. I read many great posts of S-Drol/M-Drol and it's my 1st choice since it only needs run for 3 week. I was thinkin of 10/20/20, then pct. Would this be good for a 1st timer like me or should I hit sumpthin milder?
02-02-2008 06:03 PM
i would start off with something milder, i see superdrol as a ph/ps for experienced users. look into Havoc by RPN. the reason i say that is because superdrol can have some reallllllll nasty sides , whereas with Havoc the sides are minor (if support supps and pct are good) if there are any sides at all
02-02-2008 06:29 PM
For something hormonal, yet mild, go for Havoc, Epidrol, or Epistane.
For something non-hormonal, try AX's Triple Stack, or ALRI's Ultima Stack. Jungle Warfare is known as an extremely mild steroidal compound, but that's part of the Ultima Stack.
02-02-2008 08:35 PM
I was thinkin more long the lines of hormonal. What sorta dose would be good to start/stop at on this Epi or Havoc? I see some maxin out at 2 caps a day and some at 6 caps a day. My bro has 3 unopened bottles of this and said he'd sell me one for $40. He never used it before tho either.
02-02-2008 09:21 PM
There are some good logs of first timers using SD, before epi became popular. Check them out, and mimic the one you like.
Originally Posted by Daminals
02-03-2008 12:11 AM
You'd wanna start with something like Epi before resorting to SuperdrolNG. Most people run Epi for 4 weeks. The most common cycle I've seen is 20/30/40/40. Be sure to have a SERM on hand before you start taking your Epi.
02-03-2008 12:14 AM
02-03-2008 12:24 AM
He's talking about the original SD product. Epithio products(Havoc) are certainly more potent than SuperdrolNG. I think you meant it the other way around.
Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
02-03-2008 01:35 AM
lol ya SDNG is tweaked DHEA and ATD with a stim.... pretty freakin nice workouts for what it is though....
check both my logs below man, I took Epi almost a year ago and am taking SDNG right now.
Im not an advocate of saying first timer steroids or EXP steroids when it comes to designers, hell my first two compounds were M1T and then SD.... its all suppressive and all takes the same steps to be done right with pct's and ancilleries, why steer the guy away from trying a great product?
now Epi IS still a great product but dont let these guys scare you into thnking you cant take SD first if you want. Just read up and do your homework, present your final plans to the members for critiquing and then your set.
Like I said you can check out my logs below, Epi, SD, SDNG, will ALL take your workouts and gains to a whole new level. Good Luck and feel free to PM me if you need critiquing in the future.
02-03-2008 02:37 AM
I thought he was talking about SuperdrolNG, so that must've been what confused me. My bad.
Originally Posted by Trauma1
02-04-2008 12:14 AM
u should consider halodrol 50, that is pretty mild.
02-04-2008 01:46 PM
Daminals, I think it comes down to how you will run your cycle. I ran AX Superdrol as a 1st cycle at 10 (2 days)/20/30. B/C I weigh 225 I felt comfortable at higher doses based on my research. I was willing to lower dosages based on how my body reacted. I had good results with little sides for a 1st cycle. I would say that IF you really want to run it then go ahead BUT be sure to listen to your body and don't be afraid to lower dosages/adjust if the cycle isn't going as you want in terms of sides, etc.
02-04-2008 02:01 PM
I ran superdrol as my first cycle. 3 weeks at 10mg about 2 years ago. Was great went from 180lbs to about 193lbs.
In terms of an SD cycle, this is about as mild as you can get and still get very decent gains. Just be careful and make sure you have all your post cycle therapy and support supps in order before you start it.
I am actually running that exactly cycle again right now.
EDIT: christ I wish I could type like a normal person... I need a nap.
02-04-2008 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by NasD
Just remember the key with any of thesse compounds is using the least effective dose possible.
You set up a dosing schedule for a general outline, just cause you plan to bump from 20mg to 30mg at week 3 odes NOT mean you have to, if you are still making gains. At the same time if you do bump up the dose when things slow or just cause you want to and you encounter severe sides like strong back pumps extreme lethargy or any of the others then you should be wise enough to back off to a lower dose and keep at it a lil while longer before trying to go back up again.
02-04-2008 05:14 PM
Do what Poopy does. Seriously though check out the Epi log above. I think it's an excellent model for one heluva mass cycle, just adjust the dosage(s) to yourself accordingly. I'm gonna start a cycle soon and this is my model basically, only I'm using Phera. So if I die, it's Poopy's fault. And dam - quit following me to every forum I go to or I'm tellin Mom you're takin PH's.
Originally Posted by poopypants
02-04-2008 05:34 PM
Ziq thanks for the tam tho bro. Props on the help yall. I keep hearin Halo & Epi are milder so do they go well together - or not for a 1st time? Id love to put on 15 lb of mostly solid mass. Is this realistic for a 1st cycle of ph?
02-04-2008 06:54 PM
If u are a firsti, I would def not stack anything, I would go with epi or halo prolly
Then again, I ran sd as a firsti, sd (not sdNG), dosed low should be ok with what u have for support supps, just don;t go over 20 mg and don;t go over 3 weeks
10/20/20, if u feel 20mg too much, drop it back to ten
start serm last 3-5 days of cycle, 40/20/20
when u drop the sd - 1.5/1/1/1 dose support supps
keep ai cycle support goin from one week pre cycle through post cycle
that will put some weight on ya
But i dk how much u weigh, how old u r, etc, so research it until u feel comfortable, and then give it another 2 weeks of research before u make it final ...seriously
don't just take it from me tho, i'm no expert, read Neoborns log, etc.
epi or halo might be the way u want to go
02-04-2008 08:21 PM
Definately for a first time cycle those gains are possible with either of these compounds alone, remember though diet has to be in place for this to happen. But Ive ran multiple cycles and still gained a solid 13.5 lbs on an Epi cycle and continued to gain 5 more lbs during post cycle therapy... you should be able to at least match that and keep it as long as your diet and post cycle therapy are in order.
Originally Posted by Daminals
I would not recomend you taking 2 for your first cycle, you have no clu ehow youll respond to either of these or PH's/steroids in general, and if one begins to give you problems there is no way for you to determine wich it was. Stick to one, run it through, next time try the other and if they both are ok for you then in the future think bout stacking them... in all honesty less can be more in this game.
02-04-2008 08:28 PM
I wouldn't be too afraid of superdrol as a first cycle. You may want to even consider a superdrol pulse as your first. that sort of gives the best of both worlds really. Its a strong enough compound that has minimal androgenic sides, so you still get good results taking it just workout days, but then you avoid a lot of the less happy sides like ruining your cholesterol, raising your blood pressure and stressing your liver.
Buy a kilo or at least 500g of taurine. Superdrol is the worst for back pumps, but they happen to some on epi or halo even
02-04-2008 10:19 PM
I'd love to see someone do a superdrol/clone pulse and log it. I considered this but couldn't find much info here.
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