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    Beginner Epi cycle


    Been researching A LOT and plan on running an Epi clone in the future. Like many of you, i would like to plan things out in advance.

    Only previous (well present) ph/ps use is JW which i am currently running (DAY 15) for 8 weeks.

    Considering that Havoc has such great reviews, of course it would be my first choice, but all these products i have linked here all state that they contain the SAME ingredients. So whichever i can get my hands on for a good price i will get.


    EPIDROL - Epidrol (90 caps) By: Genera Supplements

    HAVOC - HAVOC (90 caps) By: RPN

    EPITHIN-E - Generic Labz - Epithin-E 90 Capsules (board sponsor so i assume i can post this link)

    A couple questions i have are:

    As a first cycle, would a straight run or a pulse be better?

    For how long would a good pulse be? 8 weeks?

    I will have all support supplements on hand BEFORE i would start my cycle. They would include Cycle Support (during cycle and PCT) and Post Cycle Support (PCT) and possibly a test booster.... also will have either Nolva or Clomid on hand.

    How do things look? Anything to add? Any advice/guidence will be much appreciated!!!

    Thanks guys!

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    bump

    anything? anyone?....
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    This is how I ran it. Very happy with the results.

    Epistane Pulse
    Weeks 1 - 8
    Epistane 20mg on workout days
    POST Cycle Support on NON-workout days 2 caps AM 2 caps PM
    Cycle Support 1 scoop AM 1 scoop PM

    PCT
    POST Cycle Support every day 2 caps AM 2 caps PM
    Cycle Support 1 scoop AM 1 scoop PM

    Very pleased with the results. I will never cycle again without Cycle Support and POST Cylce Support


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    I ran it about 3 months ago ran 4 weeks at 10/20/30/40 i was very please kept after pct about 7 lbs lean muscle with very little sides some shredding in week4 at 40 mg.

    Some people say you can get away with SERM with epi/havoc products but it would be very wise to have it on hand i did use Nolva at 40/40/20/10 i ran a test booster Diesel Test Hardcore and if i were you would add a cortisol products in for pct i ran retain 2.

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    thanks guys i really appreciate the feedback

    just to list some cort blockers, the only ones that come to mind are Retain 2 and Lean Xtreme what are some others?
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    so straight run or pulse? i workout 5 on 2 off
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    considering my size and weight (currently 192), would it be more beneficial to start at 20mg?

    also, this will be my first cycle
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    I like to go conservative with things like dosage. Why?

    1. You never know you may gain at a lower dosage
    2. Next cycle you still have some where to increase the amount to.
    3. You save yourself some money.

    I would say go 10mg for a couple days then go to 20mg. I did 20mg and was very happy.

    Then in a few months you can go again and do it at 30mg if you like and so on.


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    very good point crowler
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    ok, final decision...

    On Cycle:
    Epithin-E (10/20/30/30)
    Cycle Support

    PCT:
    Cycle Support
    Post Cycle Support
    Tamox (on hand if needed)
    Retain 2

    How does that look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    ok, final decision...

    On Cycle:
    Epithin-E (10/20/30/30)
    Cycle Support

    post cycle therapy:
    Cycle Support
    Post Cycle Support
    Tamox (on hand if needed)
    Retain 2

    How does that look?

    Looks good i would still add a natural test booster during pct something like Diesel Test Hardcore you want to get your natural test levels back up a.s.a.p. in pct to maximize your gain but all in all you look good and give it hell bro
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    Looks good to me, don't forget your multi's n Fish oil etc.

    Personally I prefer the Pulse for slow steady reliable gains that you get to keep.

    If you were to pulse, just take the product M, W, F or some other three day combination.

    Search "Neoborns Epistane FAQ Q and A baby!" for more info
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    ok, final decision...

    On Cycle:
    Epithin-E (10/20/30/30)
    Cycle Support

    post cycle therapy:
    Cycle Support
    Post Cycle Support
    Tamox (on hand if needed)
    Retain 2

    How does that look?
    I ran a very similar cycle with Havoc a few months ago that looked like this:
    havoc 10/20 the first week, then 20/30/40
    Cycle support

    and in my pct, I used Retain2 and Tamox (40/30/20/10), along with DHEA and cycle support.

    I gained about 12lbs and got huge strength increases and kept about 10 lbs, but if I could recommend one thing it'd be to add a Cissus product for your joints. I injured my biceps tendon and had to take a month or so off starting about a month after my PCT ended.
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    Running Epistane 8 wk pulse.


    Week4 atm

    I did 20 20 30 40 and will go 40 till the end or until I feel the need to go higher. I'm 5ft 7, ten or eleven years lifting experience.

    Goals are to keep strength and focus during a hard cut. Epi is delivering that and more IMO.


    I get acne with just about every compound I have ever ran. So far this has been the cleanest as far as acne or any side.
    I must say though my diet has never been so good and clean.
    Cardio 6 days a week, keeping HR @ 130-45 on Arc trainer for 35-40 mins or until I burn 600 cals.

    My weight started at 208. The scale has read as low as 204 and as high as 212. Getting some compliments from folks already saying I look lean and strong.
    I feel strong and during a very hard cut...much more than I anticipated.

    PCT will be PCS and I have a serm but hopefully will not need.
    Been taking fish oil, bcaa, multi as usual.

    Nutz feel like bowling balls and libido is through the roof.

    Good luck and don't count out the pulse, it works great.

    Thx to Dr. D and his how to pulse oral thread. A GREAT read.
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    thanks for the info Quest, im really leaning towards a pulse, but im not sure i want to run it for such a long time

    ...im not one of those "get big FAST" but i think id much rather run it for 4 weeks...

    ........decisions decisions........
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    ok guys i need a little help!!

    2 bottles of Havoc for $86 shipped?!?!?!

    or

    2 bottles of Epithin-E for $64 shipped?!?!?
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    I wold go with the epithin-e personally. Havoc has had issues with what it actually contains. Plus I've read good reviews on epithin-e some like it more than Havoc anyways and that's another $20 towards your pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schism View Post
    I wold go with the epithin-e personally. Havoc has had issues with what it actually contains.
    I think any of that from any side has yet to be proven by a reputable source!

    I would have no hesitation to purchase Epistane, Havoc or Epidrol, quality stuff.
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    well i went with havoc and got 2 bottles, i just couldnt resist....damn RPN and their marketing!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    well i went with havoc and got 2 bottles, i just couldnt resist....damn RPN and their marketing!!
    Many a good gain has been made on this product, I am sure you will not be disappointed. Make sure you prepare well and don't forget a good PCT.
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    i have plenty of time to prepare, and dont worry i will have everything i need in my possesion before i start.

    im glad i got 2 bottles, i estimate that if i do 10-20/20/30/30 then i will use approx 660mg's when theres 900mg's per bottle....leaving an extra 240mg's for the follwing cycle

    ....sorry im a business major so money and numbers are pretty much all i think about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    well i went with havoc and got 2 bottles, i just couldnt resist....damn RPN and their marketing!!
    Good choice man. Nothing against the clones, but RPN makes great quality products from what I've noticed so far. Good luck with your cycle.
  

  
 

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