Winstrol-Stanozolol oral usage

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I have never taken this before. Can anyone share advice on how to take it orally? It would be much appreciated.
 
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If it is the liquid form, just squirt it in a glass of OJ, then swallow it down. If it is a pill, and you are asking how to take it orally, then I am going to pray for you.

You do have a proper post cycle therapy lined out right? Taking any support supplements?
 

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If it is the liquid form, just squirt it in a glass of OJ, then swallow it down. If it is a pill, and you are asking how to take it orally, then I am going to pray for you.

You do have a proper post cycle therapy lined out right? Taking any support supplements?
i'm sorry. i didn't even know that it came in different forms. i am completely ignorant about this. i have begun some reading on various sites. but no, i do not have anything planned. 'someone' has suggested that i take this.

does it have a aftertaste or anything like that? and do you suggest OJ because it's so thick?

is it better to take liquid or pill form orally?

support supplements? i'm lost. please give me more info...
 
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you better do loads more research before you take any steroid. if you dont know what support supp's are, then do some more research and wait a few years before joining the darkside.
 

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you better do loads more research before you take any steroid. if you dont know what support supp's are, then do some more research and wait a few years before joining the darkside.
well i'm kinda in a rush to find out about it. i take supplements... glutes, bcaa's, etc... but the word 'support' is throwing me.
 
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Why don't you start with a brief outline of your plan? Add some details like your experience with AAS, weight training, age, weight, height...

I do not want to bust your balls but you appear to have a noticable knowledge deficit regarding a potentially harmful chemical you are about to ingest.
 

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Why don't you start with a brief outline of your plan? Add some details like your experience with anabolic steroids, weight training, age, weight, height...

I do not want to bust your balls but you appear to have a noticable knowledge deficit regarding a potentially harmful chemical you are about to ingest.
Well, i have NO experience with steriods other than a former bf of mine taking them.

I've been lifting weights for about 5 years.... seriously (trying to compete) for 2 years. I workout 6 days with weights and 1 off day with cardio only.

I'm 29, 5'10, 170 pds. i'm pretty thick in the hips so that's where my problem lies...
 

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oh, and i'm about 12 weeks out from the show i am hoping to do.
 
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never rush steroids. seriously bro, dont take me the wrong way. im trying to help you do whats best for you and your body.

you are not ready for steroids. btw what are your stats?
 
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Info is good. Didn't know you were female. I won't be busting your balls then, ;-)

Are you planning to get winstrol? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you feel your LBM is sufficient and you are planning to lean out whilst preserving lbm? Simply, what are your goals?

Do you have access to a good medicine cabinet? :)
 
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didnt realize you were female either.

here is some good info for you:

This article is an FAQ designed to help you by providing information and suggestions that will increase basic Anabolic/Androgenic Steroids (AAS) usage knowledge. You will then have a much better understanding of what is being suggested in topics on the forum and the reasons behind the advice. Please bear in mind that there is very often no right or wrong answers when discussing AAS usage and a variety of possible solutions/cycles/answers may be given. Ultimately, it is your body, and you are responsible for what AAS are used and when they are used so it stands to reason that personal knowledge is imperative.

As I'm sure you can appreciate, there are a range of recurring questions which tend to be asked by every prospective steroid user:

* What should I take?
* When shall I take it?
* What day shall I take it?
* What will I gain?
* Shall I buy from a website?
* Orals or Injectables?

At this point we assume you've taken the decision to use steroids, but have no idea what they are and what they do. Read on...

What are Steroids?
Testosterone is the main male sex hormone which is naturally produced by the human body. Steroids are a synthetic form of testosterone or its derivatives. Bodybuilders mainly use testosterone. Testosterone is what you can thank for Strength and Size.

You can read more in the Muscle Talk article testosterone and steroid chemistry

Am I old enough?
Yes if you're over 24, No if you're under. You run the risks of premature closing of growth plates which means you won't get any taller and your shoulders won't get wider, etc. if you use them too young. Your endocrine system is also at a vital stage in your life, which should incidentally provide you with plenty of natural testosterone anyway!

Of course there are other considerations such as training experience of the individual. For example, it would be unwise for a 25 year old who has been training only a few months to want to use steroids. Their training and diet knowledge are likely to be limited (these should be 100% in check to make 'proper use' of a steroid cycle). Not only that, but there will be massive potential for natural gains, without the need to even think about steroids!

Which steroid should I take?
By spending time browsing through old posts as well as learning from current ones, you will start to become familiar with not only the different steroid names and typical dosages, but also how they are used towards a particular goal. This will provide you with a 'shortlist' of possible steroids that can be further researched to ascertain whether the effects/side effects are acceptable to you. A good point of reference for this purpose would be: www.anabolicreview.com/main.php - (Drug Profiles)

I hate needles, can I just take pills?
You've decided to take steroids, now the next thing to decide is whether you should take tablets or inject? What's the difference? Let's look at each in turn: Well the obvious difference is that one is swallowed, the other is injected. But let's be more specific; most oral steroids are hepatotoxic (i.e. toxic to the liver). As the tablet/pill travels through the body it passes through the gastrointestinal tract, then to the liver which has a mission to destroy it, thus preventing the steroid from entering the bloodstream. As a result, scientific boffins replaced the hydrogen atom with a carbon atom to the 17th position of the steroid molecule, which for the most part, will enable the steroid to survive the first pass hepatic metabolism. This process is commonly referred to as 17-alpha alkylation (17-AA or C-17).

Whilst this alkylation is desirable for the athlete in terms of improving the bio-availability of the oral steroid, it does however, place undue stress on the liver. Liver values (a set of markers which are used to assess liver function) may be elevated whilst using 17-aa steroids and as such, they are generally used sparingly to compliment an injectable cycle. Certain nutritional supplement products are often used for liver protection:

* Milk Thistle
* ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid)
* Liv-52

Injectable Steroids are not for intravenous use (into the vein). Doing this could result in serious injury or even death. They must be injected intra-muscularly (into the muscle) and therefore avoid the 'first pass' through the liver; though some the harsher steroids will place a strain on the kidneys in large doses.

There are two main different types of injectable steroids: Water or oil based. Water based steroids are metabolised quickly, requiring frequent (often daily) injections. Oil based ones are released more slowly into the bloodstream and are generally injected once or twice weekly.

Where do I inject?
You should inject into your gluteus maximus muscle (the muscle under your flabby bum!). A good, sterile technique is well worth emphasising as this can avoid experiences ranging from abcesses to death (yes, it really is that serious!). If the proper procedure is implemented, then the occurrence of abcesses can be substancially reduced and death is avoided completely.

Step by step instructions can be found via the following links:
www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-glute-injection.aspx
www.spotinjections.com

Glutes and quads (thigh muscles) are the 'normal' places for injections as they are large muscle groups, though other sites can be used, particularly for heavier cycles where there is a greater volume of oil being used each week.

What's an Ester?
A Steroid Ester refers to the chain of carbons attached to the steroid molecule at the 17th position. The longer the chain, the greater the time taken for the steroid to be released into the bloodstream. Testosterone propionate, for example, is a relatively short chain ester and therefore makes the parent hormone fast acting and requiring more frequent injections. The opposite is the case for longer chain esters e.g. enanthate, cypionate, undecanoate.

What should I take?
An example of a beginner's cycle might be 8 weeks of testosterone at 500mg per week and 4 weeks of Dianabol at 25mg daily. This utilises one injectable (testosterone) and one oral (Dianabol). The testosterone would be injected twice per week, i.e. one ampoule of 250mg on Monday, the other on Thursday or Friday.

When shall I take it?
It makes absolutely no difference what time of day you inject. Whatever suits you.

Injection frequency - Aim for Mon/Thu for longer acting esters (sustanon, enanthate, cypionate, deca). These could be injected just once per week for the needle-shy, though twice is better for even blood concentration levels.

Dianabol are to be taken daily and, as they have a short half life of just a few hours, they are split throughout the day, every 4 hours or so. Take them with meals to avoid possible gastro-intestinal discomfort.

Should I buy steroids from a website?
Never buy from an online website offering steroids. Most will be either scammers or will selling you fakes - or both! Keep yourself safe and from losing your hard earned cash -always have your prospective source checked first.

What will I gain?
Almost impossible to answer, as everyone is different, and there are a multitude of variables that will affect the amount of gains witnessed such as:

* Type of steroid and amounts used
* Length of cycle
* Cycle experience - early career cycles tend to yield greater gains purely because there is greater scope for those gains
* Training, diet & rest!

What's a Frontload / Kickstart?
A 'frontload' is used to reach peak blood concentration levels much sooner than would otherwise be possible. Double your normal weekly dose will be injected in the first week or two, depending on the drug's particular half-life (the half-life is the time taken for the body to metabolise and excrete half of the drug). So if your cycle was to use 500mg testosterone enanthate weekly, you would frontload 1,000mg during the first week.

An oral 'kickstart' describes the use of a fast acting oral until your injectables reach their peak, i.e. 30mg of Dianabol taken for the first 4 weeks.

What are Anti-Es?
Anti-Es are anti-oestrogens (or as the Americans say 'estrogens'). Certain steroids aromatise to oestrogen through the aromatase enzyme which can lead to undesirable side-effects. Oestrogen, after all is the dominant female hormone. By employing anti-Es you can reduce the chances of experiencing oestrogenic side-effects such as water retention and gyno (explained below). Proviron and Anastrozole (Arimidex and other guises) attempt to halt the aromatisation from occurring. Nolvadex however, will occupy the oestrogen receptor which renders much of the existing circulating oestrogen inert.

The varying anti-E ancillaries are therefore generally used to counter negative side effects of AAS usage. Choice of ancillary depends on many factors including:

* AAS used & dosage/length of cycle
* Susceptibility of user to sides (if already known)
* Degree of risk/sides the user deems acceptable
* Any pre-existing conditions

Read more about Anti-Es in the Muscle Talk article about Oestrogen & Progesterone

What's Gyno?
Gynecomastia is the build up of glandular tissue under the breast, and is an oestrogenic side-effect. Puffy, itchy or sore nipples are often early symptoms. This condition is often referred to by the slang term '***** tits'. Established gyno will normally require surgery for correction - needless to say, 'prevention is better than the cure!'

What's PCT?
PCT stands for Post Cycle Therapy, and is what you do when you've finished your cycle to restore natural testosterone production. This is essential if you want to stand a good chance of retaining gains. Nolvadex, Clomid and sometimes HCG are the drugs used for pct. See the Muscle Talk article Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG in Post Cycle Recovery for more information.

However, it is important to realise that when you complete PCT it does not mean that recovery is fulfilled. You are simply using the PCT drugs to kickstart your body into action, with the actual recovery process takes many weeks, sometimes months to complete. Some like to gauge recovery from subjective factors such as libido, though ultimately for a much more accurate picture, a simple blood test will be required, discussed in further detail below.

What about pre-steroid use blood tests?
It cannot be stressed enough the importance of obtaining certain blood test results prior to commencing steroids. These personal baseline readings serve multiple purposes. Firstly, they can prove vital in uncovering any underlying medical issues that may not be already known. Should this be the case, it will determine whether the individual feels that they should avoid steroids completely, or delay use until such time where it appears health is optimal. Also, as many facets of blood readings can be affected by steroids, it is vital that you have pre-steroid use values so that comparisons can be made to baseline, which will provide a valuable insight into how 'recovery' is progressing. Such blood work can be obtained in the strictest confidence with neither the tests nor the results being disclosed to your GP. See The Doctor Ltd for further details.

Will this cycle have any effect on my sex drive? Gotta keep the missus happy!
You'll turn into a porn star! You'll think about it 24/7! Generally you'll feel like a Sex God! Joking aside, you should generally experience an increase in libido especially if using strong androgens, though effects between individuals do vary. If do you experience any loss of interest, or you experience problems maintaining an erection (notorious with certain steroids), the drug Proviron is often used as a counter-active measure.

Summary
This FAQ article is not in any way designed to deter the posting of further questions on the MuscleTalk forums. However, by extending your knowledge, the above will provide you with a much better understanding of any further advice given in response to a question.

It would be very helpful when requesting information regarding a cycle, to include details such as you age, stats, training experience, previous cycle experience and goals and aspirations. This will greatly assist members answering the query, as most, if not all, of these factors are taken into consideration when providing suggestions.

If you already have some gear and are merely asking for assistance in designing a cycle, it is imperative that you list not only the actual AAS you intend to use and ml volume of each, but also the mg/ml ratio of each as this varies with different manufacturing labs.

Should you be concerned about anything at all - just ask. Other experienced members and the MuscleTalk expert moderator team are here to help and provide guidance to ensure that your AAS usage is as safe and productive as possible.

All the best!

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Info is good. Didn't know you were female. I won't be busting your balls then, ;-)

Are you planning to get winstrol? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you feel your LBM is sufficient and you are planning to lean out whilst preserving lbm? Simply, what are your goals?

Do you have access to a good medicine cabinet? :)
one of my trainers has put it in my ear that it would be a good thing to take, but he's not familiar with the liquid form. and yes, i am trying to lean out. i just want to look the best i can on stage.

i don't even know how long i would have to take it "if" i decided to do it. that's why i came here first to find out as much as i could.
 

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thanks for the article, fc.

i definitely appreciate anything anybody throws at me to read because most of the articles i've found are making my head hurt... and i went to college! :D
 

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Maybe try anavar low dose instead of winstrol it will have a lot less side effects on you and trim you up a lot better.
 

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winstrol does NOT lean u out it only helps you look fuller when you are alredy a low percentage of bodyfat
 
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winstrol does NOT lean u out it only helps you look fuller when you are alredy a low percentage of bodyfat
i disagree. i've used this compound on many occasions over the years for different cycles. it all depends on how you eat and train while on. i've gained 12lbs while using winny alone, and i have used it in numerous cutting cycles. it truly is a wonder drug.
 
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i disagree. i've used this compound on many occasions over the years for different cycles. it all depends on how you eat and train while on. i've gained 12lbs while using winny alone, and i have used it in numerous cutting cycles. it truly is a wonder drug.
I agree, good chemical to dry out with. i just think it has a higher risk of virilization in a female being so androgenic
 
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Maybe try anavar low dose instead of winstrol it will have a lot less side effects on you and trim you up a lot better.
THIS.
 
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like i said in pm, anavar with clenbuterol.


BTW, liquid form is same as pill form mg:mg
 
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id worry about getting male characteristics with winstrol....try anavar like it has been said.
 
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I don't know if I'd worry so much about the virilization... I think a beard is sexy on a woman.
 

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I don't know if I'd worry so much about the virilization... I think a beard is sexy on a woman.
whoah.. time out. i definitely want to remain WOMANLY. I don't know if anyone has looked at my myspace page, but i would REALLY like to stay looking how I look. LOL

No beard please... :D
 

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and actually it looks like my trainers wants me to continue to add more muscle. this morning he stressed my shoulders... i guess we are still in a building phase. i don't know when cutting begins.

i've started a strict diet of fish (tilapia) , asparagus, chicken and salad basically with a daily protein shake.

i wish i had pictures, but unfortunately i don't have a digi. :(
 
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whoah.. time out. i definitely want to remain WOMANLY. I don't know if anyone has looked at my myspace page, but i would REALLY like to stay looking how I look. LOL

No beard please... :D
Get an Amish posing outfit and the beard will look awesome!!
 

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oh! And thanks for the additional sugestions. i have passed those along. I hate being totally ignorant on this subject. you would think i'd know a little something since i dated a guy for over a year that uses them. unfortunately that was one thing i just didn't pay attention to.
 
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whoah.. time out. i definitely want to remain WOMANLY. I don't know if anyone has looked at my myspace page, but i would REALLY like to stay looking how I look. LOL

No beard please... :D
Wow, you're gorgeous! Definitely be careful. Rather than listening to strangers on the internet, I would go and buy some books on it and read. Some of the people here know what they're talking about, others, (like me) don't really, but it's tough to tell who knows and who doesn't. Also don't rule out asking your doctor - they have to keep that confidential.
 

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you said that you are trying to compete? do they test in this competition that you are trying to get into? winny could get you disqualified
 

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Wow, you're gorgeous! Definitely be careful. Rather than listening to strangers on the internet, I would go and buy some books on it and read. Some of the people here know what they're talking about, others, (like me) don't really, but it's tough to tell who knows and who doesn't. Also don't rule out asking your doctor - they have to keep that confidential.
awwww, you are too kind! i will definitely take head to your suggestions as well. i'm definitely not going to just take everything here and then go make an UNeducated guess. I will look into it further.

I guess i won't be able to use it for this show. :(
 

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you said that you are trying to compete? do they test in this competition that you are trying to get into? winny could get you disqualified
it is not listed as a 'natural' show... i don't think they test.
 
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just search steroid profiles up on the web, youll find alot of info but compare because some of it is really old. Anavar is your best bet imo if you want more lean muscle without the sides but its pretty much the most expensive too.

You look smokin' too btw ;)
 

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just to let everyone know... i think this fourm was in vain. my trainer has decided to get the 'pill' form, which he DOES know about and he's decided to keep the liquid for himself. LOL

oh well... i guess i will get to use it after all.

80 days from show day...
 

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pill form and liquid form are the same, I really think you should go with anavar I have used both and I prefer anavar because it is so mild and it has great recomp and hardening effects! But either way good luck with your training and your show!!!!!
 
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glad to hear you're doing this under supervision of your trainer.. as long as he/she knows what they're doing ;)
 

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pill form and liquid form are the same, I really think you should go with anavar I have used both and I prefer anavar because it is so mild and it has great recomp and hardening effects! But either way good luck with your training and your show!!!!!
i did mention the ones listed here by you guys... but he has been training for awhile and he knows what works on his girls because they pretty much all use the same thing... because he provides it. so, i'd hate to rock the boat by going against the grain... his girls do very well in shows. maybe he will have a change of heart... i haven't started using yet.
 

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glad to hear you're doing this under supervision of your trainer.. as long as he/she knows what they're doing ;)
yes he does.... i trust his judgement. he's been doing this for awhile and all of his girls (who actually train HARD) do very well. :D
 
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oh and thanks for the compliment piston! :D
your welcome.

hey if he's providing it and he knows what he's doing with it then go ahead but just watch out for sides yourself and let us know how much you are taking, sides etc. Watch out, your clit might get bigger (dont know if thats a good thing for you) lol
 

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your welcome.

hey if he's providing it and he knows what he's doing with it then go ahead but just watch out for sides yourself and let us know how much you are taking, sides etc. Watch out, your clit might get bigger (dont know if thats a good thing for you) lol
are you serious????? no, i don't NEED that. LOL
 
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LOL. good luck with it.

Actually winstrol is used often by women at low dosages. Typical starting dose is @ 5mg ED and upwards as high as 20mg ED. It is more anabolic than androgenic so masculine sides are less likely but are still possible. Deepening of the voice, facial hair, acne, clitoral enlargement (may have positive effect on libido). Winstrol generally does a number on blood lipids and will alter liver values. There is no water retention with this and provides lean dry gains. Dryness in the joints is also a common side.
 

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LOL. good luck with it.

Deepening of the voice, facial hair, acne, clitoral enlargement (may have positive effect on libido). Winstrol generally does a number on blood lipids and will alter liver values.Dryness in the joints is also a common side.

none of that sounds good. but i'm guessing that this is on a case by case basis since no two bodies properties are the same? it's like a luck of the draw thing i'm guessing?...
 

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well i'm happy to report that i now have a digi. so i guess i will have to start a new thread in the pics section when i start my cycle. yay.

thanks for all the info guys...
 

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I have just gotten winstrol liquid oral i was wondering if anyone has heard of xtremelabs if its legit and how best to take it. i plan on taking it with clenbuetral along with cycle assists. please let me know if there is anything else i should do thanks.
 

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