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s-drol vs m-drol or m1t

spartanking62

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s-drol contains 10mg of 2a,17a-di methyl-5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol
m-drol contains 10mg of2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one,17b-ol

I have read elsewhere that m-drol 5b vs s-drol original 5a may make the m-drol weaker than the original superdrol and thus weaker than s-drol because it seems to be a exact clone.This question remins debated but not answered from anyone with knowledge of chemical formulas.So does anyone know if there is a difference?

On another note for those who have experience with m1t as well as superdrol would you advise taking m1t over these shady clones for strength?
 
M1T is not a great strength compound and is extremely toxic. SD is a good strength compound and the only difference in the two clones is nomenclature. It is the same chemical, but there are different ways of writing it out.
 
M-drol has less sides than m1-T, and has great gains. Sides v results, m-drol is the best IMO. Havoc and epistane seem to be good too, but u get mixed results. M-drol taken smartly with cycle support and post cycle support and a SERM test booster and cortisol blocker for PCT has proven to be safe and extremely effective. The only bad reps it gets are when people take it as a stand alone. Just drink as much water as possible, helps with back pumps plus the obvious benefits, and eat a lot with a crap load of protein, and short intense trainging periods with a lot of rest have proven most effective on superdrol and its clones.
 
I think its not worth it, IMO, some sponsored member on here tried it and put on 4 pounds in a month. Hell, for a "Next Generation Pro-Hormone", thats not so good, I would keep your money in ur pocket, and not crap for 3 days, that will get you the 4 pounds plus 40$

As far as I'm concerned, if its not creatine/protein or the real deal, u r wasting ur time and money and risking ur health
 
firstjustice2 said:
What about this superdrol ng? What should I be taking with it?
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its DHEA or a derivative of DHEA, nothing like original superdrol. its a Very mild ph at best, although i have never used it myself.
 
Rodja said:
M1T is not a great strength compound and is extremely toxic. SD is a good strength compound and the only difference in the two clones is nomenclature. It is the same chemical, but there are different ways of writing it out.
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unfortunately the 5a is the stronger version. and also more harsh, with more sides. the 5b is the weaker, safer version.

they are different. an alpha isomer vs a beta isomer.
etiocholan is the b isomer.

etioallocholan (sp) is th a isomer.
 
Rodja said:
M1T is not a great strength compound and is extremely toxic. SD is a good strength compound and the only difference in the two clones is nomenclature. It is the same chemical, but there are different ways of writing it out.
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Maybee for you but M1T made
me crazy strong,stronger than Superdrol.
 
All sides aside, you would probablly pack on more mass with M1T and it is similarly as harsh as the original superdrol....
 
Thats cool mayn! Tell me how they compare, im getting some M1T that I might want to use to kickstart a test-e cycle in the future....
 
I asked a similar question last week and got blasted because I asked if the current OTC SD is different than when it first came out, and I have read both Roberts and llewelyns books. But they dont go into this. I have seen both at the supp. Stores but not sure which to buy. Help!!!!!
 
jbryand101b said:
na, they use the 5b i think. mastavol by aps.
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mastavol- 2a-17a-Dimethyl-5a-Androst-3-One, 17b-Ol - 10mg


mdrol- 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol – 10 mg


RSS 17 Alpha- 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one 20mg (with 10mg phera)
 
alexx33 said:
mastavol- 2a-17a-Dimethyl-5a-Androst-3-One, 17b-Ol - 10mg


mdrol- 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol – 10 mg


RSS 17 Alpha- 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one 20mg (with 10mg phera)
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the top and bottom are the sam minus the phera.
17b-ol= 17b-hydroxy

mdrol is the etiocholan= 5b version.
 
The Celt said:
I asked a similar question last week and got blasted because I asked if the current OTC SD is different than when it first came out, and I have read both Roberts and llewelyns books. But they dont go into this. I have seen both at the supp. Stores but not sure which to buy. Help!!!!!
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I think i remember your question.

the diff I have explained in this thread. ;)
 
jbryand101b said:
unfortunately the 5a is the stronger version. and also more harsh, with more sides. the 5b is the weaker, safer version.

they are different. an alpha isomer vs a beta isomer.
etiocholan is the b isomer.

etioallocholan (sp) is th a isomer.
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Sorry dude, but there is no way in hell that anything you just typed is correct. There is only one version of methasteron, but multiple nomenclatures. The 5a in there just means it is 5a-reduced, as does the term "etiocholan". Not sure what the 5b means, but its all the same thing.
 
Gator 87 said:
Sorry dude, but there is no way in hell that anything you just typed is correct. There is only one version of methasteron, but multiple nomenclatures. The 5a in there just means it is 5a-reduced, as does the term "etiocholan". Not sure what the 5b means, but its all the same thing.
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etioallcholane = 5-alpha-androstane

etiocholane = 5-beta-androstane

I'm sorry you dont know the difference. but unfortunately they are different.

I know it is tough to notice the difference in the two words, but if you look in the middle, there is an "all" in the top one. this little difference here means it is a 5a skeleton isomer.

the ways of writing a nomenclature differently you are talking about would be somethign like this:

Structural Property: Carbonyl (C=O)
Prefix: oxo-; keto-
Suffix: one

Structural property: hydroxyl
prefix: hydroxy-
suffix: ol

and etc.

trust me when I tell you there is a difference.
 
im loooking at a bottle of FA SD i have and it says
2a-17a-Dimethyl-5a-Androst-3-One, 17b-Ol

im pretty sure thats the alpha isomer because if it was the beta it would say etiocholan. and since 5a-androst=etioallocholan im pretty sure its the alpha correct?
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
im loooking at a bottle of FA SD i have and it says
2a-17a-Dimethyl-5a-Androst-3-One, 17b-Ol

im pretty sure thats the alpha isomer because if it was the beta it would say etiocholan. and since 5a-androst=etioallocholan im pretty sure its the alpha correct?
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yea, I dont know their nomenclature off hand, was just guessing, i've looked at so many differnt brand in the last few months, they all seem to blend.
 
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/79658-nomenclature-dummies.html

stxnas said:
For you geeks like me that enjoy this stuff: Invalid Link Removed

This pdf breaks it down in a way that you don't have to be really well versed to follow along. It's kind of like "nomenclature for dummies" :D It's a little older, but still appears to be relevant. It explains a few things like -ane vs -ene, methyl vs ethyl, gona(ane) vs estra(ane), etc.

This could be a good thread to post things such as "2-ene = delta-2", "17a = 17 alpha, "5a-androst = etioallocholan" etc...you get the idea.

2-ene = delta-2
3-ene = delta-3
17a = 17 alpha (associated with such terms as c-17a alkylation and c-17aa)
5a-androst = etioallocholan (a = alpha)
5b-androst = etiocholan (b= beta)
Estra = 19-Norandrosta
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The first post and then posts 22 and on might be helpful to some of you reading through this...
 
alexx33 said:
mastavol- 2a-17a-Dimethyl-5a-Androst-3-One, 17b-Ol - 10mg


mdrol- 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol – 10 mg


RSS 17 Alpha- 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one 20mg (with 10mg phera)
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SORRY FOR CAPS BUT OMFG U JUST MADE MY DAY ;)
I LOOKED AND FOUND A FULL BOTTLE OF ULTRA RIPPED WHICH CONTAINS THE STRONG VERSION OF SD!!!! AND I WAS LIKE THIS CLOSE TO SELLING IT ABOUT A MONTH AGO............... now ill run it in the summer thanks. i gained 15lbs of mdrol so it very special to me
 
'APS' very good reputable company
 
can u do me one favor sorry to steal but u are good with nomolecular structure can u briefly tell diff between the tren ph? and if the one in UR is the stronger one ( i know there was a stronger one
 
Jasen said:
SORRY FOR CAPS BUT OMFG U JUST MADE MY DAY ;)
I LOOKED AND FOUND A FULL BOTTLE OF ULTRA RIPPED WHICH CONTAINS THE STRONG VERSION OF SD!!!! AND I WAS LIKE THIS CLOSE TO SELLING IT ABOUT A MONTH AGO............... now ill run it in the summer thanks. i gained 15lbs of mdrol so it very special to me
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yes sir, the APS ultra ripped stack also has the 17b version in it. i have a bottle of that sitting at home as well, that might be my fall cycle if everything goes as planned.
 
Jasen said:
can u do me one favor sorry to steal but u are good with nomolecular structure can u briefly tell diff between the tren ph? and if the one in UR is the stronger one ( i know there was a stronger one
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19-Norandrosta 4,9 Diene 3, 17 Dione 30mg

that's the tren that's in ultra ripped stack, 19 nor is the same as 4,9 estra.



i think you're talking about the kilosports 17b tren they used to have??? that's the strongest tren that was out in alot of people's opinions.
 
hmmm so was the OG SD a 5A as well?
hmmmmm i excited to run this in summer :) with test then once i drop ti ill stack winstrol for rest of cycle
 
just so everyone isn't confused, there are only two versions of superdrol, a & b isomers of the compound. just like there are a & b isomers of 6bromo.

19nor (estra) compompounds are pro dienolone.

I believe trenadrol containd plain trenbolone, as this is what I've read the compound tested to be.
do i know for sure? no, who does? someone.....kilo sports?
 
WOW good news for me!!! ive got 3 bottles of Supplements911's Monsterdrol saved up, which has the 5a-androstane nomenclature. i was debating between that or some m-drol for my upcoming cycle... guess i know what im going with!! :)
 
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jbryand101b said:
just so everyone isn't confused, there are only two versions of superdrol, a & b isomers of the compound. just like there are a & b isomers of 6bromo.

19nor (estra) compompounds are pro dienolone.

I believe trenadrol containd plain trenbolone, as this is what I've read the compound tested to be.
do i know for sure? no, who does? someone.....kilo sports?
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Looks like 2 other brands would have the A-Isomer MethylVol 17a-dimethyl-5a-androst-3-one,17b-ol and S-roid anyone try any of these?
 
Gator 87 said:
Isn't trenbolone barely orally active?
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trenbolone isn't barely orally active. it has a decent oral availability. not as good as adding a methyl, or ether molecule to it, but it is a common method to take trenbolone pellets, an crush them up to take orally. it isn't cost effective, but it will give results.

i've used pr dienolone products, but never kilo sports tren, so I cant compare the two.
 
can u go into small detail of the 6 bromo a and b?
 
also i belive arimatest carries both as to hdx2 only one? am i correct on this
 
Cool. My bottles of SD-1 say 5a on them. But does this really mean ****? Just because the label says something doesn't mean that's what it really is.
 
jbryand101b said:
unfortunately the 5a is the stronger version. and also more harsh, with more sides. the 5b is the weaker, safer version.

they are different. an alpha isomer vs a beta isomer.
etiocholan is the b isomer.

etioallocholan (sp) is th a isomer.
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The original sd was a isomer, i had one of the first batches, then after it changed to b, wich is a lot dirtier and a lot more sides, Alpha is the cleaner and stronger isomer, b is always dirtier. If you get a batch with the A - isomer then you will have a more potent version, but there wont be any need to dose as high.

I do nearly all the write ups for eurochem and novitech, this is my job, comparing the structures, and results so writeups can be done accuratley.
 
The chemical structure of this new Superdrone has a 5a. so its the good stuff i presume? or am i reading it wrong
 
you know guys, these companies can write whatever the hell they want on the label as far as nomenclature is concerned.

You guys seem to be preoccupied with a whole bunch of "beta" isomers of superdrol out there. Realistically, i don't see what any company would go out of their way to make an A-B cis steroid. A-B trans steroids are much more common and probably less expensive to procure. Besides, A-B trans steroids are what work! It makes no sense for a company to produce only an A-B cis steroid.

Also, is all of this uproar based only on the nomenclature? Has anyone actually done any form of analysis? GC-MS? 1H NMR? HPLC?
 
the coa from cel stated mdrol contained the b isomer.

but later cel stated it was a labeling error, and that mdrol is the a isomer.

doesn't explain the bunk bottles of mdrol, or the people who have had to run 30-40mg of mdrol to see the same results you get from 20mg of a good product.

but this isn't the case for all bottles of mdrol. most bottles of mdrol are gtg @ 20mg.

if a product did have a b isomer, it would suck, and mostlikely not produce any results, or weak ones. and it'd be a completely new steroid.
 
jbryand101b said:
etioallcholane = 5-alpha-androstane

etiocholane = 5-beta-androstane

I'm sorry you dont know the difference. but unfortunately they are different.

I know it is tough to notice the difference in the two words, but if you look in the middle, there is an "all" in the top one. this little difference here means it is a 5a skeleton isomer.

the ways of writing a nomenclature differently you are talking about would be somethign like this:

Structural Property: Carbonyl (C=O)
Prefix: oxo-; keto-
Suffix: one

Structural property: hydroxyl
prefix: hydroxy-
suffix: ol

and etc.

trust me when I tell you there is a difference.
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Take a look at this article please..

According to Jason Rowland, the two different chemical names have the same chemical formula. Explain to me how these two "different" compounds can have the "same" chemical formula? I'm not trying to reprimand or disrespect you I just want someone (or yourself) to answer this question...
 
fueledpassion said:
Take a look at this article please..
According to Jason Rowland, the two different chemical names have the same chemical formula. Explain to me how these two "different" compounds can have the "same" chemical formula? I'm not trying to reprimand or disrespect you I just want someone (or yourself) to answer this question...
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I'm sorry, there is nothing in the articles stating there is any similarity between the two.

I have emailed eric with the information for him to have that put into the profiles, (the difference between the two) but I guess he doesn't feel it is important.

btw I helped with those profiles.
you are the first person i know of to be mislead, so I sent eric another email, hopefully it will get changed this time.
 
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