Question about all these non-methyls

[bignative22]

I was just wondering if these are pro-hormones or steroids? Is propadrol for instance an active or does it convert to something? I haven't been able to find what the parent compound for some of these is (max LMG, propadrol, etc... my guess is it's Winny for Winzstrol lol)

Just so I don't have to open a new thread, what is an effective dose for propadrol on its own? 60 or 90?

 

[DR.D]

I was just wondering if these are pro-hormones or steroids? Is propadrol for instance an active or does it convert to something? I haven't been able to find what the parent compound for some of these is (max LMG, propadrol, etc... my guess is it's Winny for Winzstrol lol)

Just so I don't have to open a new thread, what is an effective dose for propadrol on its own? 60 or 90?

The parents are unclassified as best I can tell, they are obscure pogestins actually.

 

[sweet-physique]

I was just wondering if these are pro-hormones or steroids? Is propadrol for instance an active or does it convert to something? I haven't been able to find what the parent compound for some of these is (max LMG, propadrol, etc... my guess is it's Winny for Winzstrol lol)

Just so I don't have to open a new thread, what is an effective dose for propadrol on its own? 60 or 90?

I think a search for propadrol may yield information.
I have never used that myself.

Max LMG and clones of it I have utilized in conjunction with PP. Max LMG gives good strenth and size gains and for me was not overly wet although others have reported this. It is a progesterine derived coumpound so be weary of progesterin indiced side effects. high dose b6 can help. It requires proper PCT. I used at between 75mg (80 for clones) and 125mg (120 for clones) with 20-30 mg of PP ~5 weeks. Very good results and not too bad on the blood work which is posted here if you search "my phera plex xmass log" on here.

 

[stxnas]

Nice to see you around D. It's been a while.

Anyway, I have tried pretty damn hard to find out about these two products and can't find much (not results, but info about the actual progestins). The only thing that I figured out was that they are both progestins and that according to their nomenclature and the definition of a gonane they are "tetracyclic hydrocarbons without methyl groups at the C-10 and C-13, and without a sidechain at the C-17."

I don't know much about organic chemsitry(yet:twisted, so I'm not even sure if this means anything that we didn't already know. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/79658-nomenclature-dummies.html

 

[EctoPower]

I don't know much about the chemical structure, but Propadrol is a progestin and allegedly they threw an AI in there as well.

Personally, I tried to pulse it and quit after 2 days at 60mg each because it spiked my BP. That's about all I can say, except that I'd rather do a mild methyl with the proper liver support.

You could also look at Furazadrol. A bit pricey, but from what I hear it is a pretty effective non-methyl. Search and yea shall find.

 

[DR.D]

Nice to see you around D. It's been a while...

I needed a break, but its good to be back and see you too stxnas!

Your points are valid, whether you understand the nomenclature or not. 19-nor (lack of a methyl branch from the C10) almost always makes a progestin, same thing with groups larger than methyl (like ethyl) on the C13.

I don't understand why it says 12-ethyl on the bottle though. :blink:

 

[Wilderbeast]

My understanding of Max LMG and its clones are that they are very chemically close to if not identical to the progestin (anti-progesterone, in females anyway) RU-486 (the morning after pill).

 

[DR.D]

My understanding of Max LMG and its clones are that they are very chemically close to if not identical to the progestin (anti-progesterone, in females anyway) RU-486 (the morning after pill).

That is most evident in big, bulky substitutes on the C11. It may have anti-progestin properties (I'm not sure because I've never used it) but it does not look related to the compounds you mentioned. Honestly, I'd guess that it would be a fairly potent progestin, but I don't have resolution on the structure yet. If it really is alkylated on the C12, that would be very strange indeed.

 

[Aggravated]

Nice to see you around D. It's been a while.

Anyway, I have tried pretty damn hard to find out about these two products and can't much (not results, but info about the actual progestins). The only thing that I figured out was that they are both progestins and that according to their nomenclature and the definition of a gonane they are "tetracyclic hydrocarbons without methyl groups at the C-10 and C-13, and without a sidechain at the C-17."
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Weird. There is no Wiki on it. Maybe you should do a writeup.

 

[hman85]

Hooray For The Doctor!!!!!!!!!! Good To See You Back!

 

[stxnas]

Weird. There is no Wiki on it. Maybe you should do a writeup.

I was merely referencing the gonane groups in a write-up that I found: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/79658-nomenclature-dummies.html I'm pretty new to organic chemistry, otherwise I might consider doing something like that, lol.

FUNDAMENTAL CARBOCYCLES
2.1. The parent tetracyclic hydrocarbon without methyl groups at C-b and C-13 and without a sidechain at C-17 is named 'gonane'.

 

[DR.D]

Hooray For The Doctor!!!!!!!!!! Good To See You Back!

Good to be back hman! It looks like Christmas around here.

 

[xtyler]

glad to have you here,i'm HUGE....

 

[DR.D]

glad to have you here,i'm HUGE....

You are the Incredible Hulk, the same HUGE?

 

[xtyler]

You are the Incredible Hulk, the same HUGE?

just that one bud!!! ha! god bless the net,we can meet everywhere!

 

[pudzian2]

welcome back D!!! happy holidays!

 

[bignative22]

I don't know much about the chemical structure, but Propadrol is a progestin and allegedly they threw an AI in there as well.

Personally, I tried to pulse it and quit after 2 days at 60mg each because it spiked my BP. That's about all I can say, except that I'd rather do a mild methyl with the proper liver support.

You could also look at Furazadrol. A bit pricey, but from what I hear it is a pretty effective non-methyl. Search and yea shall find.

That's interesting that it spiked your BP. I will definitely look out for this. Did you notice this from readings or side effects first?

 

[stxnas]

FWIIW I've noticed that others on propadrol have mentioned high bp too.

 

[DR.D]

just that one bud!!! ha! god bless the net,we can meet everywhere!

Yes, the wonderful net. Bringing nerds together everywhere! I love it. Good to see you here too my man.

 

[DR.D]

welcome back D!!! happy holidays!

Thanx P! Merry Christmas and happy holidays to you and yours too.

 

[EctoPower]

That's interesting that it spiked your BP. I will definitely look out for this. Did you notice this from readings or side effects first?

Side effects first. By the beginning of day two I had a splitting headache. On day 4 I checked my BP and it was elevated. So, I just terminated the cycle. It was just a pulse anyway and probably ill-conceived. If I had pre-loaded with hawthorn berry, I might not have had a problem.

Live and learn!

 

[bignative22]

Side effects first. By the beginning of day two I had a splitting headache. On day 4 I checked my BP and it was elevated. So, I just terminated the cycle. It was just a pulse anyway and probably ill-conceived. If I had pre-loaded with hawthorn berry, I might not have had a problem.

Live and learn!

I've been taking 1g of hawthorne twice a day, do you think that is sufficient?

 

[EctoPower]

I've been taking 1g of hawthorne twice a day, do you think that is sufficient?

What does the bottle say?

I think typical recommended dosage is 500mg to 1500mg per day. So 2 grams sounds OK to me, but I would check against the recommendations on the bottle in your hands too.

 

[stxnas]

Check out the specs on Anabolic Innovations Cycle Support: http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/anabolic-innovations/cycle-support-60-servings.html

All of the ingredients are used at the optimal recommended doseages (when used at two scoops per day).

If you're extract is 80% or more two grams might be a little overkill. Do like Ecto suggested and check out the label and get back to us.