PH or the real deal..

[Atheloop]

I feel I'm ready for either, I was thinking Epi but if I were to take that why not go for Test-E @ 500mg a week for 12 weeks or something to that nature. My diet is 100% and my training is 100%. I'm turning 21 in Jan. What do you guys think?

[MkUltra]

the real deal.

[INFLUENCER]

Just go with Test and some deca or dbol if you can get them safely. Might as well do it right the first time

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Not even 21 yet you do not need either really you still have plenty of natural test

[Formula94]

Training experience?
Size?
Goals?
How much research have you done?

[UnrealMachine]

Training experience?
Size?
Goals?
How much research have you done?

answer these questions

assuming you're ready, always go for real gear over PH. Injectables can be run heavier and longer so they're the obvious choice.

[Atheloop]

Training experience?
Size?
Goals?
How much research have you done?

Training experience : 4 years
Size: 190-195 lbs 6 foot
Goals: Bulking, competing in September
Research: Have read more than a librarian.

[Atheloop]

Bump.

[GeneticX]

Var and Test. I could rhapsodize about var all day....

[EctoPower]

This makes me laugh. At 8 AM you started a thread by saying you are "physically and mentally ready" for an injectable cycle, now you're thinking about Epi. You claim you've researched like crazy, but to me you sound more distracted than a Thai hooker after boat of sailors pulled into port.

I say you're too young and you're nowhere near your genetic potential. Just because you're 21 doesn't mean you're ready. I read some of your other posts and if you've hit a plateau, that doesn't mean you need a cycle. It sounds to me like you're more worried about cramming in an anabolic cycle or two before you start competing in September. But why not just compete natural for awhile? Just because you want to compete doesn't mean you need steroids right now.

Anyway, that's just my take. Between your flip-flopping on what substance you're going to take and your lack of knowledge about dosage and side effects (again, from your previous posts... let's not forget you almost jumped into superdrol at 40mg), it just sounds like you need to take more time. Even experienced users take awhile to plan out their next cycle. You might want to do the same.

You've had a bunch of knowledgeable people warn you off of stuff in the last couple days. You just don't seem to want to listen... if that's the case then why bother asking?

[bLacKjAck.]

This makes me laugh. At 8 AM you started a thread by saying you are "physically and mentally ready" for an injectable cycle, now you're thinking about Epi. You claim you've researched like crazy, but to me you sound more distracted than a Thai hooker after boat of sailors pulled into port.

I say you're too young and you're nowhere near your genetic potential. Just because you're 21 doesn't mean you're ready. I read some of your other posts and if you've hit a plateau, that doesn't mean you need a cycle. It sounds to me like you're more worried about cramming in an anabolic cycle or two before you start competing in September. But why not just compete natural for awhile? Just because you want to compete doesn't mean you need steroids right now.

Anyway, that's just my take. Between your flip-flopping on what substance you're going to take and your lack of knowledge about dosage and side effects (again, from your previous posts... let's not forget you almost jumped into superdrol at 40mg), it just sounds like you need to take more time. Even experienced users take awhile to plan out their next cycle. You might want to do the same.

You've had a bunch of knowledgeable people warn you off of stuff in the last couple days. You just don't seem to want to listen... if that's the case then why bother asking?

VERY good posting.

I don't know where all you guys get the idea that age really has anything to do with it. Its funny that a 22 yr old guy is telling a 19 yr old that is test is RAGING high. So is yours!! Your test is RAGING for basically all of your 20's and into your 30's.

[P4D2A022]

go with some test!

[eros62d]

To answer your question,test is a much better choice,if you have your diet,pct,nailed down. Prohormones are too harsh on the liver imo. Just make sure you have some arimidex or formestane on hand for possible gyno flare ups,and have your pct together before you ever start your cycle.

[Atheloop]

How much would I be looking to gain on this cycle? IF my diet and training are 100%.

[UnrealMachine]

How much would I be looking to gain on this cycle? IF my diet and training are 100%.

we don't know, how much are you going to make yourself gain

That's one of the questions that can't be answered. If you're asking this stuff, you should delay your cycle.

[Atheloop]

we don't know, how much are you going to make yourself gain

That's one of the questions that can't be answered. If you're asking this stuff, you should delay your cycle.

I know its going to be over 20 for sure!

[bpmartyr]

It burns when I pee after I read threads like this.

[littlemack]

Personally,
I say run something mild. I say start with the Prohormone and give yourself some time to learn and see how these things affect you with your current diet. Phera Plex is really mild. Very mild sides and slow dry gains. Maybe try a PheraPlex/Superdrol cycle. Lots of info on this board for that. Do three or four cycles of something like that to see how you respond and to learn. Then go for something stronger once you have a better understanding of your body.
Cheers!

[GeneticX]

Personally,
I say run something mild. I say start with the Prohormone and give yourself some time to learn and see how these things affect you with your current diet. Phera Plex is really mild. Very mild sides and slow dry gains. Maybe try a PheraPlex/Superdrol cycle. Lots of info on this board for that. Do three or four cycles of something like that to see how you respond and to learn. Then go for something stronger once you have a better understanding of your body.
Cheers!

You consider a Superdrol/pp cycle combo mild??? Do 3 or 4 cycles of that? I'm sorry, but that is pure poppycock. Who in their right mind would substitute a Var-Test cycle for essentially a rat poison cycle, albeit an effective one, on the basis of mildness;as it can hardly be classified as mild! Let me remind you of an already trite mantra: we know the effects of anavar and test, since both have been administered in a medical context for decades. Anavar and Test, ipso facto, are safer and saner choices than 4 superdrol cycles!

[littlemack]

You consider a Superdrol/pp cycle combo mild??? Do 3 or 4 cycles of that? I'm sorry, but that is pure poppycock. Who in their right mind would substitute a Var-Test cycle for essentially a rat poison cycle, albeit an effective one, on the basis of mildness;as it can hardly be classified as mild! Let me remind you of an already trite mantra: we know the effects of anavar and test, since both have been administered in a medical context for decades. Anavar and Test, ipso facto, are safer and saner choices than 4 superdrol cycles!

Rat Poison? hahahahaha.... Have you run a PP/SDrol cycle? Do you have bloodwork results you can post (before and after cycle)? How many cycles of it have you done? How many people have you worked with who have run this cycle and what did their bloodwork look like?


A lot of people have already told this person that they are not ready for a real anabolic steroids cycle. Would you agree? However, he is not going to listen to anyone who tells him otherwise b/c of the way they are telling him. He will just want to prove them wrong. So, give him a legal, low side effect, alternative. Run the Pplex stand alone if he is paranoid. Like I said, he'll get nice, dry, gains, with modest strength increases and his emotional state won't be a living roller coaster ride if he doesn't already have that sorted out.

Let's say he takes your route. The very next post that I will see from him is either "Help, I Am Very Bloated!" or "My nipples are itchy what do I do?" hahaha....
That's why I'm recommending that he take something with very low sides. Not just bloating, and gyno, but also easy to recover with HPTA axis and on top of this....its Girlfriend friendly. hahaha Trust me, your GF will thank me for this. hahaha