Which OTC Designer is the PH to Tren
- 12-05-2007, 06:43 PM
- 12-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Quigs, I believe you but in the other thread all of th eposters claimed it would convert to 4-dione rather then 4-diol. What would be the best way of clearing up this discrepancy and determinging which it will become?
- 12-05-2007, 06:52 PM
if I recall correctly from what I've read in the past the Dione version will convert to Diol albeit at a much lower rate and there will also be much more aromatization into estrogen.
12-05-2007, 06:56 PM
In addition, I found where PA commented on this product in a thread on bb.com a couple weeks ago:
I know its not much, but I'd have to assume that he's thinking along the same lines.Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
12-05-2007, 07:08 PM
4-androdiol step or the 4-androdione step, it only seems to address that the functional group is on the right carbon but not what functional group it is....
12-05-2007, 07:50 PM
Focus more on the left side. Now for purposes, we are going to pretend that DHEA is actually 4-DHEA (4-androsterone). Now if you look, DHEA converts to androstenediol via 17-beta HSD. 4-DHEA will convert the same way, except to 4-diol. Now, the main thing to remember here is that 17-beta HSD is the main enzyme we're going to face in the GI tract....its the same thing that seems to convert oral testosterone into androstendione interfering with testosterone's oral bioavailability. We are not going to see much, if any, 3-beta HSD enzyme in the GI...which would cause conversion to 4-DIONE. This product will be taken orally, so that's what we want.
Now, where we're going to see a lot of 3-beta HSD is in liver and muscle tissue. So what the progression should be is:
4-androsterone--->4-diol (via 17-beta HSD in the gut) then...
4-diol---->testosterone (via 3-beta HSD in the liver/muscle tissue)
Here's a paper for a bit more support:
Originally Posted by PUBMED
12-05-2007, 09:17 PM
Quigs, thanks for the informative and helpfuly post. It is much clearer now
12-05-2007, 09:55 PM
If u want a tren product just buy IBE's Epistane. Neoborn can explain it in detail for u. Isn't that right Neo!!
12-06-2007, 01:55 PM
I don't know if this means anything but I'm on day 6 of a 30mg epi and 50mg of halo. I've done 2 preivous cycles of halo and libido on it was through the roof. My libido before this was awesome. Only day 6 and its as if my libido is shot to sh1t. Kinda weird I don't know what to think of this mistery compound.
12-06-2007, 01:59 PM
Dont forget about G.E.T's new product(makers of Sus500) Tren 250 they have it for sale at my local supp store yet I havent found it on line
01-08-2008, 10:10 AM
Mr.50---- I have a suggestion for the libido issues. Get you some horny goat weed powder (40% icariin) at CNW for $9.99 per 50 grams. Take a gram a day divided into 2 doses. This will greatly help the libido!!!
01-08-2008, 10:56 AM
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