does safe PH pulsing erase long term sides??
- 11-27-2007, 04:20 PM
does safe PH pulsing erase long term sides??
if pulsing a PH cycle within safe/reasonable measures (dosages) does it get rid of the long term sides down down the road?? any opinions or views on this matter cause down the road 3-4 months i plan to pulse epistane with post cycle and cycle support and was wondering if pulsing within a reasonable dosage say 40mg MWF for 6 weeks would diminish the chances for long term side effects that u end up with way down the road a couple years or more... if i need to clairify anything let me know i have to rush off now pizza delivery (carbo load!!!)) izza:
- 11-27-2007, 05:52 PM
ok well for someone who claims "i cycle irresponsibly" anyone else, because pulsing isnt a method of taking oral PH or steroids spaced out over a certain length of time for nothing! there is research behind it that it is a safer way of conducting things, my question was if pulsing correctly etc will minimize the chance of long term sides, i understand it comes with the territory and i know there are both long term and short term sides, my question was if pulsing epistane correctly a very mild compound already! minimizes chances of long term sides, also i was not "worried" about sides i merely had a curiosity about the method of pulsing and was seeking advice upon the subject.
but thanks gixxer for your view and opinion on people who may have concern with sides but i think its posted in the wrong thread
- 11-27-2007, 05:59 PM
Ha-Ha! If you can find Dr.D's thread on pulsing it will answer alot of your answers my friend. I would find it for you but - It's dinner time. Read it and if you have any questions, ask away or PM me.
And bro, don't worry about it - asking questions is a part if learning and if you're asking that means you want to know how to do it right - which is good.
11-27-2007, 09:33 PM
Maybe this is too much of a generalization but in my head pulsing is similar to pinning suspended Test base one day then dropping it the next and so on and so forth. Your asking for more hormonal imbalances and more sides. Do you see guys pinning test base every other day? Hell no you dont, and there is good reason for that...
And like gix said you need to accept the risks of these products, plan for the worst, and be prepared to run into anything. Long term or short term.
11-27-2007, 09:41 PM
Epi needs to be run straight - I've never pulsed and never will - but if that's what you consider 'safe' for yourself, go for it.
11-27-2007, 11:13 PM
The theory of pulsing oral methyls for the sake of minimizing lipid and liver toxicity has some merit. Yet unless it is done within the duration of a base static cycle it would seem like a recipe for radical hormonal influxes that could be less risk:reward effective than to just run a full cycle of said androgen.Maybe this is too much of a generalization but in my head pulsing is similar to pinning suspended Test base one day then dropping it the next and so on and so forth. Your asking for more hormonal imbalances and more sides. Do you see guys pinning test base every other day? Hell no you dont, and there is good reason for that...
11-28-2007, 12:02 AM
ok i have run a cycle of ASS before i know how it works and the risks involved ive sufferd a lot of sides from steroids i guess i got kinda offended by gixxer, Sry gixxer i felt like i was being talked to like a newb (apology excepted?) also when i say research i merely meant i compared pulsed logs vs straight up ED dose logs, and have found that pulsed logs a vast majority of them have very little sides if any! i shoulda of clarified what i meant when i said research. all I was asking was if pulsing eliminates long term sides i come to the conclusion that i guess it depends on what type of compound your usuing. didnt mean to get everyone all wound up
11-28-2007, 12:03 AM
11-28-2007, 12:37 AM
11-28-2007, 10:27 AM
i've run a few cycles of prohormones before and never had any sides. i ran a pulse cycle of pp and epi for 8 weeks and i was completly shut down, no libido for 2 months. It sucked so bad. usually i recover pretty quick but this time that wasnt the case. i also dont think that pulsing is a good idea it confuses your body. other people might be able to handle it diffrently though, i just know my body can't.
11-28-2007, 10:48 AM
Honestly, I would never attempt a pulse without a SERM on hand as well, especially to use on off days. Your off days are supposed to be mini-post cycle therapy's. If I normally use a SERM during a post cycle therapy, then I will use one on my off days. Sustain + PCS are 2 good options as a SERM with no sides imho, instead of just a basic test booster alone or a steroidal AI (which I won't use again during PCT).
11-28-2007, 12:38 PM
11-28-2007, 01:28 PM
The point is that pulsing on one day your body will receive a source of exogenous test then the following day not have it there. Basically its cleared from your system then you hit it again every other day or whatever. If this was really safe I'm guessing you would see more guys use highly androgenic orals as pre workout stimulants (if thats the right word) all the time.
You really cant prove it works or doesnt work as a whole but on paper it doesnt make much sense. Trying it yourself and getting bloodwork will tell you more on an individual basis but doesnt particularly mean that the results will hold true for all people.
11-28-2007, 01:50 PM
11-28-2007, 04:02 PM
11-28-2007, 04:03 PM
11-28-2007, 04:28 PM
11-28-2007, 04:30 PM
edit: I just searched. PP's halflife is 12hrs. Orals like SD and Epi are roughly 6-8.
11-28-2007, 05:31 PM
11-29-2007, 12:15 PM
11-29-2007, 12:17 PM
11-29-2007, 12:59 PM
Out of curiosity, what is everyone's definition of "Long Term"? And how long has the current "boom" in PH's been going on? When I think long term, I think of a person in their 20's taking something and the effects they are going to see when they are 50+ years old. Is there really any data on this for PH's, pulsed or non-pulsed? It seems like the responses I see (elsewhere at least) to the long term question are along the lines of "I took it 2 years ago and haven't keeled over dead yet!".
11-29-2007, 12:59 PM
I know there is no source posting but man would I love to find a good source of ASS! rofl king, I know it was a typo but that's the funniest thing I've read on this forum. I needed that!
11-29-2007, 01:13 PM
a long term effect would be something like gyno, its really hard to get rid of and for some people its permenant. thats the things with these ph's all of a sudden months later people flare up with gyno. if someone where to do an anabolic steroids of something like anavar there hasnt been any incident ( at least from what i've researched) of people getting gyno and its been around since the 60's. I'm goign to run a cycle of var and that will probaly be the only thing i even run. theres are still sides with var of course but i believe alot less then these ph's and we know what the long term and short term side effects are.
11-29-2007, 01:27 PM
Longer term effects are things like dyslipidemia that contributes to the development of atherosclerosis.
Longer term effects are things like cirrhosis of the liver.
These can kill you. Gyno is not fatal.
11-29-2007, 01:32 PM
True...very true but gyno is definitely a long term effect, and if your gyno turns into breast cancer it can be fatal also.
11-29-2007, 01:55 PM
Agreed. Steroids are dangerous.
11-29-2007, 04:03 PM
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