Finished Cycle...

**Kitchen Chemist** · 07-28-2003 12:26 PM

I stopped my cycle on wednesday of last week. Here's what i ran and things that i noticed during the cycle.

Week 1-10 test enan 500mg/week
Week 2-6 d-bol 35mg/day
Weed 1-10 equipoise 400mg with 800mg frontload the first weeks.
Week 11-13.5 test base/bold base 500mg approx per week transdermally absorbed (35% absorbtion rate)
Arim or Femara .5mg or 1.25/day

-Ok, facial acne kicked in week 5 to 8 hard, then cooled down till i switched to test and bold base in week 11 where it immediately came back worse.
-Started cycle at 168-170 and hit 197 around week 8 and never got any higher. Measured my bf at end of week 10 and it was up from 14% to 18% (obviously water retention fools callipers????). Measured it today and it's at 11.5%. I still have a inch or so of fat that i can pull away from abs but my chest/arms are showing a little vascularity now. My weight is holding steady at 185 now, down 3% bf from the beginning.
-My sex drive was through the roof for the first 6 weeks then died down to above normal but not nearly as high. My balls are dropped, they only hid for around 5 days and came back, no use of hcg or anything....
- Now day 5 post cycle i fell great still, my balls still holding, sex drive still around but i haven't been to the gym in a few days so i have no idea about strength/motivation.

Basically, i'm wondering why almost everything i've read about sides etc. didn't happen to me or if they did they seemed different then what others experience. Is my post cycle crash near by or should i have started to experience it already???. I had minor sides i guess you could say, aside from the acne part, but i was running a pretty strong cycle for a first timer....

Just wondering everyones thoughts/experience in relation to mine, i'll probably post some comparisson pics tonight of this 185lb monster

J/K

**wikked1** · 07-28-2003 12:42 PM

Hey Bro I can't comment on the sides or crashes as my own trip into the dark side is still forthcoming BUT it reads like you had some awesome results during this cycle. Sure would like to know about that bold base but it's understood....anyway Awesome results bro....let see those pics!

**Kitchen Chemist** · 07-28-2003 01:03 PM

Strange thing about the cycle, and only thing i wasn't happy about was my chest strength and developement. I had a injury layoff for about 2 months and then hit up cycle around 4 weeks back into it aswell as changed some stuff in my benching for better inside development. My bench is only about 205 for reps now and it was around 170 before my stuff kicked in. I was benching 205 when using phs back in december but i think the layoff really hurt my strength and i only gained a little from where i was back in september.

Bold base is basically equipoise but with no ester. You need to inject it everyday or dump the powder in some t-gel and use it transdermally. You won't have much luck finding it unless you come across a powder source (please don't ask..)
Not fun to use when cutting as your hunger will be disgusting lol.

**wikked1** · 07-28-2003 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
Strange thing about the cycle, and only thing i wasn't happy about was my chest strength and developement. I had a injury layoff for about 2 months and then hit up cycle around 4 weeks back into it aswell as changed some stuff in my benching for better inside development. My bench is only about 205 for reps now and it was around 170 before my stuff kicked in. I was benching 205 when using phs back in december but i think the layoff really hurt my strength and i only gained a little from where i was back in september.
Bold base is basically equipoise but with no ester. You need to inject it everyday or dump the powder in some t-gel and use it transdermally. You won't have much luck finding it unless you come across a powder source (please don't ask..)
Not fun to use when cutting as your hunger will be disgusting lol.

Disgusting hunger during a cut is normal for me! LMFAO....I won't ask !we did 'converse' about that subject a bit ago (pm's) I am glad you posted up your results though.....I wouldn't sweat the bench press stuff too much bro....the important part is LOOKING good not how much weight you had to throw around to get there

**ManBeast** · 07-28-2003 03:33 PM

Yer up 15 lbs and down 3% bodyfat! Awesome work bro. I too had little to no sides on my cycle.

ManBeast

**jminis** · 07-28-2003 03:50 PM

15lbs and down 3% sounds like a quality cycle. And about the post cycle crash shhhhh, don't jinx it. Knock on some wood bro and hope you stay lucky. Oh I was contemplating whether or not to make a transdermal bold base product similar to what you did. Was it worth it? Later J

**Kitchen Chemist** · 07-28-2003 04:37 PM

I only ran it for 2.5 weeks and my cals were low so it's hard to say. I'll give it a try aswell as test base/nandrolone base at the beginning of a cycle next time around while i'm waiting for the longer esters to kick in. Thinking maybe a bold/test/nandro transdermal combo with test enan, equipoise, and deca injected, run trans for 5-6 weeks at the beginning aswell as weeks 13-14 (after last injections to finish off strong and start post cycle at the beginning of week 15).

**Alpha Dog** · 07-28-2003 05:12 PM

Impressive gains KC. With respect to the chest development problem, what type of workout were you using and with what type of frequency?

**Kitchen Chemist** · 07-28-2003 05:19 PM

Chest workout was usually incline dumbell press, flat bench, cable flies, and usually some decline barbell aswell. I'm starting doggcrapp's way of training (on animals board, cycles for pennies thread), hope that helps improve it. Upper chest is a bitch to grow dammit!

**dermalgear** · 07-28-2003 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
Measured my bf at end of week 10 and it was up from 14% to 18% (obviously water retention fools callipers????).

Yes, measuring bf with calipers, subcutaneous (lying under the skin) water retention, will throw off BF measurements, possibly to a great extent.

**Kitchen Chemist** · 07-28-2003 05:37 PM

Yeah, made me frustrated as hell, but then a week later after injections were done and i'd been on test base and bold base i was down 4% so i was happy as hell. That must mean test base and boldbase allow for a lot less water retention eh? I dropped 7 lbs within a week aswell but i was still using the test base and boldbase.

**dermalgear** · 07-28-2003 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
That must mean test base and boldbase allow for a lot less water retention eh? I dropped 7 lbs within a week aswell but i was still using the test base and boldbase.

Interesting how you can run the exact same compounds, but using different means of administration (im, dermal) and end up with such varying results.  But, same findings that I have experienced. 

**canadaguy** · 07-28-2003 05:51 PM

Upper chest suggestion: A few months back I felt like my upper and mid chest was somewhat lagging behind the growth I've seen in all other areas (excluding the calves god damnit....I fry them, but they never grow; that's a whole other topic). A friend introduced me to weighted dips...... everything is starting to even out beautifuly. I'd tag a couple of heavy sets of weighted dips onto your heavy chest program to tie everything in. It worked miracles for me.

**quez82** · 07-31-2003 06:11 PM

whats your post cycle therapy look like?

**Kitchen Chemist** · 07-31-2003 06:13 PM

look a couple posts up

**ManBeast** · 08-01-2003 05:04 PM

Originally posted by dermalgear

Interesting how you can run the exact same compounds, but using different means of administration (im, dermal) and end up with such varying results.&nbsp; But, same findings that I have experienced.&nbsp;

IMHO test base and boldbase are NOT the same compounds as say, test enan and equipose, the ester has a LOT to do with how the compounds affect your body. ****, D-bol and Equipose are basically the same compound as well, but they have very different results.

ManBeast

**Kitchen Chemist** · 08-01-2003 05:25 PM

Also to addd to that MB, if you use test base and bold base you are getting more hormone as there is no ester weight. Higher doses usually promote bigger gains.

**dermalgear** · 08-02-2003 01:14 PM

Originally posted by ManBeast

IMHO test base and boldbase are NOT the same compounds as say, test enan and equipose, the ester has a LOT to do with how the compounds affect your body. ****, D-bol and Equipose are basically the same compound as well, but they have very different results.

ManBeast

I completely understand, I wasn't referring to using DIFFERENT compounds though.  I was eluding to the fact that IM injections of testosterone base and boldenone base should elicit fast acting and drastic body composition changes.  Whereas, KC's and mine experience with TRANSDERMAL application of testosterone base and boldenone base elicited no such response/s. 

This is most certainly due to poor uptake of the androgens using the current transdermal carriers and as such I have redesigned my carrier and am currently seeing results far superior to that of my previous cycles using testosterone base and/or boldenone base with the previous transdermal carrier.

**Kitchen Chemist** · 08-02-2003 01:21 PM

What's the new mix you use bro?

**Kitchen Chemist** · 08-02-2003 01:23 PM

Also to update, weight is up to 187, i have sex drive, and my balls are still HUGE

Don't understand why, but i'm not complaining

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