Best PH Out Now?

[Eagleman003]

Looking to try something this winter for around 30 days on cycle and 4 weeks PCTing. What options do I have? I'm looking for something that isn't too harsh on libido, with no bloating and little to no estrogen conversion. I am not a first time user.

I was thinking Epistane or H-Drol, or something along those lines. Epistane has been getting great reviews and I hear the sides are pratically nothing.

 

[beebab]

go with Epi if you're a first time user. Epistane is surprisingly mild when run at lower doses, and even has SERM like properties at around 10/ 20 mg doses. generally i hear people favor a max dose of around 40 mg for gains, maybe 50. but Epistane shouldn't shut you down much at all which makes recovery a breeze. you'll still require a proper SERM however.

 

[heebs10]

low dose epi sounds good for a first timer. just make sure u do plenty of research before getting into anything. also make sure you have all your support supps and pct lined up before you start your cycle. good luck dude

 

[matthew76]

Looking to try something this winter for around 30 days on cycle and 4 weeks PCTing. What options do I have? I'm looking for something that isn't too harsh on libido, with no bloating and little to no estrogen conversion. I am not a first time user.

I was thinking Epistane or H-Drol, or something along those lines. Epistane has been getting great reviews and I hear the sides are pratically nothing.

What kind of cycle have you done before? What was your PCT?

AGE / Experience / Diet?

 

[corndog]

I am on TRT and looking to gain some size and lose BF. Any suggestions as to using a PH or any supplement to work with my test-e 100mg/week.

I dont want to f-up my hormones though.

 

[ReaperX]

Axis Labs Furzadrol. It is not methylated.

 

[corndog]

what should I expect

 

[matthew76]

Come on bro... Research, read up and if you have any questions after that, ask away...

FURZ, though, should only be used when weight-lose is wanted, IMO...

I forget, how old are you again?

what should I expect

 

[corndog]

I was just looking into a fast response. I planned to read/research on it later.

I dont worry much about weight, its good just need to loose a little on the sides and lower abs.

I'm 38 and lifting for over 16 years

 

[ReaperX]

I was considering using Furzadrol since it is a PH @ 2-3 caps a day.

 

[neoborn]

From what I understand H-Drol is milder, then Epistane.

If you choose Epistane:

1. Either ED cycle or Pulse

2. PCT = Good SERM such as Toremifene, or if you cannot get SERM Post Cyle Therapy which was designed for Epistane type products.

3. Cycle Support throughout.

Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[ReaperX]

Furzadrol, then PCT with NovadexXT @ 3 caps a day.

 

[neoborn]

Is there a reason you're double posting Reaper?

Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[ReaperX]

Is there a reason you're double posting Reaper?

Much Love,

Neoborn

The second one I added the ATD for PCT.

I don't believe in a SERM for H-Drol/Furzadrol if taken within reasonable doses.

 

[pistonpump]

shuttup neo.

 

[Eagleman003]

I plan on taking ATD and AX Retain and AI Cycle Support for PCT. Cycle support on cycle as well. I am lookign to gain about 8 pounds and reduce body fat, i have a very clean diet and will do about 500-1000 above maitaence and cardio 3 times a week.

I have used 1-ad and 4-ad before. I am 21 years old, have been lifting for 4 years serisouly, bench is at 245 x 10.

I was thinking either epistane or h-drol which is better in general, and then which is better for my PCT?

 

[amicold]

From what I understand H-Drol is milder, then Epistane.

If you choose Epistane:

1. Either ED cycle or Pulse

2. post cycle therapy = Good SERM such as Toremifene, or if you cannot get SERM Post Cyle Therapy which was designed for Epistane type products.

3. Cycle Support throughout.

Much Love,

Neoborn

H-Drol is very mild. I ran a 4 week, 50/50/75/75 and mildly recomped. Weight stayed within two pounds, I leaned out, and saw very little lean mass. I did however gain 50+ pounds in deadlift and squat, 15 on the bench, and noticed greater hardness. It didn't shut me down much, although my libido is up and down, and I did notice an itchy scalp. I'd probably try something else again and steer clear of H-Drol though, just because it wasn't worth the time.

 

[dhuge67]

H-Drol is very mild. I ran a 4 week, 50/50/75/75 and mildly recomped. Weight stayed within two pounds, I leaned out, and saw very little lean mass. I did however gain 50+ pounds in deadlift and squat, 15 on the bench, and noticed greater hardness. It didn't shut me down much, although my libido is up and down, and I did notice an itchy scalp. I'd probably try something else again and steer clear of H-Drol though, just because it wasn't worth the time.

Maybe the results weren't there because the dose you ran was too low...:stick:

 

[amicold]

Maybe the results weren't there because the dose you ran was too low...:stick:

Could be, I have never heard of anyone going over 100 ED though. I thought 75 in the second half would kick things up.

 

[Haltera]

Maybe the results weren't there because the dose you ran was too low...:stick:

Im more inclined to think the problem had more to do with the duration...

 

[Hank Vangut]

just out of curiosity, is pct necessary when you are on TRT?

i understand the possible need for estro control. but you shouldn't need to worry much about restarting natural test production if it isn't there in the first place.

 

[EasyEJL]

just out of curiosity, is post cycle therapy necessary when you are on TRT?

i understand the possible need for estro control. but you shouldn't need to worry much about restarting natural test production if it isn't there in the first place.

Well, its more a case of every coming off TRT... so you'd never hit PCT if you never came off the cycle of TRT... Still the question of testicular atrophy tho.

 

[San Quinn]

Eagleman003
Cant really go wrong with Epi or Halo. I used Halo for my first cycle and loved it. If you choose to go with Halo I would do 50/50/75/75. I did 5 weeks but dont recommend it since I only gained 1 lb during week 5.

H-Drol is very mild. I ran a 4 week, 50/50/75/75 and mildly recomped. Weight stayed within two pounds, I leaned out, and saw very little lean mass. I did however gain 50+ pounds in deadlift and squat, 15 on the bench, and noticed greater hardness. It didn't shut me down much, although my libido is up and down, and I did notice an itchy scalp. I'd probably try something else again and steer clear of H-Drol though, just because it wasn't worth the time.

Which H-drol did you take? Was your diet and training on key during the whole cycle? Thats weird that you only gained about 2 lbs. Were you taking in a low amount of calories?

I did the same cycle but for 5 weeks and gained almost 12 lbs. Was a lean bulk and diet/training was good the whole cycle.

 

[Eagleman003]

So far from what I understand.

Epistane less side effects.
H-Drol better gains.
H-Drol more extensive PCT needed.

I'm definetly leaning towards Epistane and im going to run a 30/30/40/40 cause I have a friend who has 15 extra pills for me cause he didnt finish his bottle. So hopefully I gain a good 8 pound on that with a reduce in bodyfat and keep all gains in my PCT.

 

[UnrealMachine]

I'll take Epi over Hdrol anyday, I ran Hdrol for 4 weeks at the normal dose 50/50/50/50 and saw minimal gains. Right now i'm pulsing Epi 3x a week at 40mg and my strength is going up while my bodyweight is going down, my recovery time is totally improved, way more effective than Hdrol for me, its even shutting me down harder on a pulse no less.

Epi is my advice. 30/30/40/40 will give you good gains bro.

 

[Benderzzz]

h-drol is pretty good at 100mg ed
h-drol is underated because people run it for too short of cycles and not enough dosage
you need 100mg ed or you are just wasting it
i bet in a cylce of 5-6 weeks at 100mg you would drop 2percentage points on the calipers and gain 10 pounds
assuming of course you eat right and train right

 

[Eagleman003]

5-6 will certainly shut me down harder and is kinda outta my time frame that I wanna complete the cycle in. I think by upping the dosage on epistane i will see gains. I have 105 pills so i can do

30/40/40/40 or 30/30/40/50

what do u guys think?

PCT =

Cycle Support all throughout cycle
ATD
Retain
Tribulus
Sizeon

 

[neoborn]

shuttup neo.

Now now let's not get disrespectful there PP. How about you go on your merry little way and not inject yourself into a conversation that was not even in the slightest directed at you hmm?

@ Reaper: I wasn't taking a dig but it was like Furza, Furza, Furza, I am sure he understood you the first time.
#6

Axis Labs Furzadrol. It is not methylated.

#10

Furzadrol, then post cycle therapy with NovadexXT @ 3 caps a day.

#12

Furzadrol, then post cycle therapy with NovadexXT @ 3 caps a day.

I guess it was just a keymash...

Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[UnrealMachine]

5-6 will certainly shut me down harder and is kinda outta my time frame that I wanna complete the cycle in. I think by upping the dosage on epistane i will see gains. I have 105 pills so i can do

30/40/40/40 or 30/30/40/50

what do u guys think?

post cycle therapy =

Cycle Support all throughout cycle
ATD
Retain
Tribulus
Sizeon

either of those really should work, i'd lean towards the first. 40mg ed must be ****ing awesome, just doing 40mg 3x a week is doing wonders for me

 

[pistonpump]

check this out: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/78698-armor-nutrition-halo.html maybe 2 caps for you ed..?


AND......


Shuttup NEO! i told you once, i told you twice now, i tell you again and your ass is getting a beating along with a one week ban!

 

[Hyde12]

just out of curiosity, is post cycle therapy necessary when you are on TRT?

i understand the possible need for estro control. but you shouldn't need to worry much about restarting natural test production if it isn't there in the first place.

PCT is not necessary, but support supps are as well as maybe estrogen control, which one should already have a script for anyway. Most are on HCG so testicle atrophy is not a problem. TRT is for life btw and thre is no natural test production. It sure does suck getting shots every week, but it does not suck having a test level of 800+ all the time :whip: