Burst Cycling- An idea - please critique.
- 11-08-2007, 04:17 PM
Burst Cycling- An idea - please critique.
Just thinking of ideas about how to make small gains that are maintainable with minimal shutdown. Pulsing sounds ok, but I don't like the high doses, although I may try it in the future. So I was thinking of alternatives. I remember a while back there was a program called ABCDE (Anabolic Burst Cycling of Diet and Exercise) from muscle media. Basically, it was 2 weeks of Major bulking and 2 weeks of major cutting. I was thinking of using anavar for 2 weeks at a moderate dose, say 20-30mg for the cutting period, followed by 2 weeks of dianabol, say 30-40mg, for the bulking period. Then hyperdrol for 4 weeks followed by going natty for 4 weeks. While it may not be massive gains like people want with steroids it should give some decent recomp/lean bulk. Say you lose 2-3lbs of fat in the first 2 weeks, then gain 3-4lbs of muscle in the last 2 weeks. Then gain 1-2lbs of muscle in the following 8 weeks.
Give the user starting stats of 175lbs@10% bf. That is 17.5lbs of fat and 157.5lbs of LBM. Say you lose 3lbs of fat during the anavar, gain 3lbs of LBM during the dianabol (not counting water) and then gains 2lbs of muscle during the hyperdrol and natty phase you would come out at 177lbs@8%bf. While not a huge difference it would be noticeable. Next time say you feel you are lean enough and just want to bulk. Go for 2 weeks at 30/40mg of dbol. Say you gain 3lbs of LBM and 1lb of fat then do the hyperdrol/natty part again and gain 2 more lbs of LBM. This would put you at [email protected]%bf. This would take about 6 months. At a year, you could be up almost 15lbs with the same starting LBM:Fat ratio, pretty much no pct blues and up and down weight rollar coaster. Just slow steady gains. Only small amounts of time on would be less detrimental to the body as well as the HPTA.
While it may not be as dramatic of weight gain, it would be better for the body and much more maintainable. Also, for people like me long cycles sometimes seem to drag on forever which can make it hard to keep intensity in the gym up. The reason I put var first is because of the minimal HPTA suppression from it. Also, dbol is very fast acting and not really that suppressive. Anabolics 2k7 talks of a study with physiological doses for 8 weeks resulting in something around 70% suppression of LH. Two weeks might spur 30-40% suppression, but due to dbols lower affinity for the AR, the user could start the hyperdrol a few days before ending the dbol which would lower circulating estrogen helping the HPTA rebound faster.
Any criticism is welcome as I am still refining this idea.
- 11-08-2007, 06:52 PM
- 11-08-2007, 08:02 PM
Would you be worried about side effects from rapidly increasing and decreasing serum levels of hormones Aspire?
11-08-2007, 08:32 PM
11-09-2007, 12:22 PM
I suppose hepatoxicity may be the only concern, insofar as the liver needing to process the active metabolites of two orals as opposed to one. However, you would be making a great choice in Var for all these possible side-effects. Its mildness makes it a perfectly suited choice.
Have you considered running test base (whether in suspension or TD) as part of this burst? Possibly throughout the length of the orals, or do you feel that would exacerbate the shutdown you are trying to avoid in the first place?
11-09-2007, 04:52 PM
11-09-2007, 07:01 PM
11-10-2007, 12:01 AM
sounds like an interesting theory, on paper. but the only problem i see is that it'd take longer than 2 weeks for these steroidal compounds to fully build up in the system, generally speaking. with any cycle, the benefits of prohormones and oral steroids usually begin to manifest themselves during week 2, going into weeks 3 and 4. then afterward, there's the expected shut down.
however, the idea is right up there with pulsing for a unique way to minimize post cycle sides and suppression
11-10-2007, 03:45 PM
11-12-2007, 09:00 AM
always good to see some new ideas....
I feel you on the long cycles dragging and sometimes losing intensity.....been there. Post cycle blues suck a$$ too.
This could be run constantly through the year. If doses were kept low. I still think you would have to take into account the cumunlative amount of shutdown that could happen after this was done maybe 3 times (cycled thru w/ the natty phase) perhaps some SERM in the hyperdrol phase every three phases or something like that...
I think as we get more experienced we look for different methods of cycling to better suit our own liking and theory...THats how new methods are born and like always everyone reacts differently. Ive seen about even net gains with long cycles and short ones but i like shorter ones better because i believe they are alot easier on the body. time on compared with dosages and compounds, i rather not be on for longer periods...i think im rambling. People say longer cycles get the body used to the weight thus keeping gains easier....i think thats just an opinion, you can hold the weight if you recover faster imo. by short cycling then recovering then short cycling i think net gains could be very much comparable, even better than 2 three month cycles in a year.
11-12-2007, 09:02 AM
12-06-2007, 11:12 PM
12-06-2007, 11:24 PM
Read this thread:
Short cycles, some thoughts
I know it is old, but I think it will have information in it that you will find useful. Lots of questions and answers that you probably have can be found in it.
12-07-2007, 12:36 AM
i think it would be interesting. I understand why not many people have experimented with this, as most people arent so theoretically educated. For those of us who are....it may be a long term smart way to use. the only problem I see is the CONSISTENT flow of methylated steroids.....
I think that if liver enzymes are elevated for a short amount of time they bounce back with little damage if any.BUT if a constant stress (even if it is very minimal) is placed on the liver over a longer period of time ....there is more damage?
There are too many personally unique variables with hepatoxicity to actually determine this quantitatively, however according to generally accepted principles that we refer to here...it seems it could cause trouble..
12-07-2007, 12:37 AM
12-07-2007, 12:53 AM
12-07-2007, 12:55 AM
12-07-2007, 12:58 AM
12-07-2007, 01:01 AM
12-07-2007, 01:07 AM
12-07-2007, 01:20 AM
12-07-2007, 04:49 PM
12-07-2007, 04:54 PM
12-07-2007, 05:20 PM
12-07-2007, 05:41 PM
I do not see any real issue in running a Bold base TD, unless somebody here does. You can obviously purchase Bold Base, and I would assume, even given the short half-life, a very low androgenic profile. I've seen only a mention here and there of a Bold-Base TD though.
12-07-2007, 05:46 PM
12-07-2007, 06:36 PM
12-07-2007, 06:42 PM
12-07-2007, 10:09 PM
12-07-2007, 10:56 PM
pulse after cycle
yea i tried pulseing for two weeks after my m-drol cycle.some board members thought it was stupid . well.... i only did post cycle therapy's for 3 days after and i still haven't lost a pound two weeks after last pulse dose.point is everybody is different so you got to try new ideas to see what will work 4 u.by the way i have got stronger since cycle ended. before the pulse it was a 3 week cycle of m-drol at 20/30/40....lild
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