A little opinions and help with possible 12 week oral cycle.
- 11-06-2007, 11:25 AM
A little opinions and help with possible 12 week oral cycle.
Pplex/Pheradrol days: 1-30 doses: 15-45mg used: to start the bulk. I would be mixing the pplex and pheradrol to get doses like 25mg and 35mg. Id only bump the dose as needed. Last cycles with this i found 25mg to be good but not sure with the clones and my experience now. I know i will not go over 45mg.
SUS500 days: 27-57 doses: 2 caps steady (50mg Finigenx, 25mg MaxLMG, 14mg ATD) used: as a break from the methyls while keeping the bulk alive.
Epidrol days: 54-84 doses: 30-50mg used: to possibly deal with any rebound that may arise from the previous compounds. also to hopefully bring libido up if need be. help solidify gains.
M5AA days: 1-20, 30-50. 60-84 doses: 20-50mg used: preworkout, mainly with the most intense workouts. used to combat estrogen sides with the phera, added aggression with the sus, dry up, and harden at the end with the epi.
Igf1lr3 start or finish? Cycle support throughout. Probably cycle creatine while on as well. Tamox, Ralox, Torem, Adex on hand. Plenty of fishoil. Possible use of low dose test prop and possible cabergoline. post cycle therapy will be torem, leanxt, aPCT, restore.
I have experience with the epi and phera. A little with the m5aa and none at all with the sus. If problems come, namely gyno, ill stop short. I figure ill survive the epi and phera portions but still unsure with the sus500...
Id like to know if there are objections or any type of feedback on this. If i run this I will log it. I have alot of ideas so im not sure how to or what to use for my next...got alot of options too. Its not that i dont want to use injectable gear its just i have alot of orals to use and I only have long ester gear at the moment but i want to be able to cut cycle short if need be. I may have places to go or other obligations to keep so i dont want to be tied into Test E.
- 11-06-2007, 01:23 PM
yeah i am with ya on the obligations and not having to be tied into test e. anywho, I would run the igf1 for 3 weeks in the beginning and 3 weeks in the end. (during ur p-plex cycle) I think you might run into some gyno problems with the sus500. that's when I'd run low dose caber. I wouldn't say that you gotta stop just because of a little itch. As far as the m5aa I've never run it so I don't know. I'd run epistane at minimum of 50mg. I've found best results @ 60mg. And p-plex @ 30mg.
i don't see any problems with a 12 week oral cycle.
use milk thistle.
11-06-2007, 05:54 PM
11-06-2007, 06:34 PM
11-06-2007, 11:16 PM
I did also like epi at 60mg. It was the best dose for me but i was gonna "try" to go light on it. I dont want to end too strong, gonna try a smooth let down maybe....idk. I have two bottles so 60mg for that duration would not be a problem.
I have considered pulsing superdrol in there somewhere but not sure. Most likely ill do the same as my last oral cycle and take a day off from orals each week and sometimes drop the dose down on off days...it helped alot last cycle and i didnt run into any problems doing that.
As far as the sus500 and gyno well i know that is a real strong possibility but im hopin the atd in it will help.
Lets say i did have some test prop and didnt want to run it for 12 weeks, it would probably be best used at the end with the epi, agree?
thanks for the replies.
11-06-2007, 11:25 PM
Intersting cycle idea. I like this kind of mix/switch stuff because it tends to work well for me. I've never run anything like 12 weeks on orals, and you might have some issues for that length of time. Seems like a well thought-out plan. I would just say (as I always do) that you'll probably have to "feel" your way through it and adjust accordingly. As for the IGF, I'd say run it weeks 5-8 (on weeks) and 13-16 (PCT weeks).
11-06-2007, 11:35 PM
I would run the IGF the first few weeks. Depends on what your trying to use it for though (prevent shutdown, hyperplasia?)?
Cycle looks a bit rough on the ole cholesterol. What happend to your S+1?
11-07-2007, 02:48 AM
Cholesterol won't be too much of an issue. He's not even running SD. PP isn't that hard on cholesterol. I am not sure how m5aa is. I am probably goiing to run an M1T cycle after I get my leg healed.
11-07-2007, 03:38 AM
The s1 i still have its just im not sure i want to do a transdermal just yet. Maybe when the lady goes up to LV to visit... I really wanna give this sus500 a shot, i got the bottle for free from one of the reps for G.E.T.
you are probably right about the cholesterol but i would just say that because of the duration of the cycle not because of the compounds. They are all pretty mild compounds.
11-07-2007, 03:42 AM
The s1+ mohn cycle could still be an option along with a dbol test-e deca winny cycle but im kinda leaning to this oral cycle first.
i still have leftover m1t that i cant get myself to use...i guess all the negative talk about it spooked me. I do remember when i ran it as my first cycle, didnt recover from it for months and months...could have been due to my 6oxo 3 week PCT...
11-07-2007, 01:52 PM
lol yeah. a 3 week post cycle therapy on 6-oxo is garbage.
lol. you should be cool with nolvadex and clomid.
i always am.
and if need be a-dex.
11-08-2007, 03:13 AM
11-08-2007, 11:02 AM
ill have some P-5-P and Vitex to use for prolactin control as well. I3C will also be tried out in PCT.
bump for more vets...yay or nay.
11-08-2007, 11:31 PM
11-08-2007, 11:53 PM
11-10-2007, 12:35 AM
11-11-2007, 03:16 AM
http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...g-90-caps.html probably 1 cap in the morning and one before bed. ive used it before but didnt finish the bottle. so ill probably just run it for a few weeks.
Do you think HCG would be a good idea?
11-11-2007, 03:20 AM
And HCG would be a great idea. Recovery will be that much easier...Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Vcap®
Servings per Container: [change me]
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Chaste Berry Tree (Vitex) Extract (fruit) (Vitex agnus castus)
Dong Quai (Angelica sinensis) (root) 150mg **
(Standardized to min. 0.5% Agnusides)
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
** Percent Daily Values not established.
OTHER INGREDIENTS: Cellulose (capsule), Maltodextrin, Magnesium Stearate (vegetable source) and Silica. Vegetarian formula.
Last edited by Travis; 11-11-2007 at 03:27 AM. Reason: Nevermind on the vitex question...
11-11-2007, 03:24 AM
But i started sus500 on tuesday and by thursday i was already getting weird feeling in my nipples. So i went over to GNC and got B-6 and Vitex and am taking 600 mgs of B-6 and 2,000 mgs of vitex to try to control it right now and i have seen some imporvement already. I dont know if this is to much vitex. But it seems to be working and i havent read any research on the upper limit of vitex per day and side effects. I also backed down to 4 a day on the sus500 (this is all im running) 6 might have been to much and shouldnt have started there in the first.
AS far as the HCG i couldnt tell you man, i have no clue if would be a good idea or bad.
11-11-2007, 03:27 AM
11-11-2007, 03:56 AM
you were taking 6 Sus500 ed?!! thats alot. Im only gonna be doing two because well its a 60 count bottle and im just testing it out free.
I cant remember exactly how it works off the top of my head but its used to stop women from lactating i believe...run a search on prolactin and Vitex agnus castus and even dong quai.
11-11-2007, 04:03 AM
yeah its the max dosage. Im 250 pounds at about 6-8% range so i figured id be alright. But this is some strong ****... no joke. But i went down to 4 today + the b-6/vitex has pretty much diminished my problem.
I dont really have a lump or anything its just my nipps are getting really sensative and feel a lot different than before. It was tender pushing against them. But i cant feel a lump or anything. I may have had a small case from my teenage years or something that is getting aggrivated right now i have no idea. But its not noticable if you look at it or anything... its just that i can feel something weird going on. Could be multiple things as of right now so im not freaking out about it and i see my doc on tuesday anyways for some other stuff so ill ask to get checked out to see if it even gyno in the first place.
11-11-2007, 07:13 AM
It is used in some supplements for male bodybuilders as a secondary component, as some studies suggested that it may decrease the prolactin levels , which, in turn, increases LH (luteinizing hormone)and testosterone levels . It has been assumed to not have the same effect on the female hormonal balance, but recent studies contradict this
Also this is what i was wondering as well....
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.
since these are 2 out of the 3 compounds in sus500 and the other being an ATD.... this states that is AGGRIVATES gyno... meaning not forming gyno?
11-11-2007, 08:06 AM
well you did say you had pre existing from puberty didnt you? usually if guys had flare ups when they were younger, particularly during puberty, youll be considered prone. Also if something can aggrivate gyno then you can be sure it can cause it to form as well...
so what day are you on with the sus500 and how are gains?
11-11-2007, 08:13 AM
well i train DC style so forced progression is key... but i gained a lot of strength on my lifts for example the last time i did deads i was at 545x4 this time i got it for 7 (on friday)
I started tuesday so ive been on it for 5 days. Im up 5 pounds and still in the same condition. Maybe holding slightly lower water. My legs have been cramping slightly nothing major it could be numerous things not the sus500. But all in all i really like it except for the tightness of my chest no other sides to report of besides being aggressive.
11-11-2007, 03:18 PM
11-12-2007, 03:22 AM
11-12-2007, 03:36 AM
Good luck nancy,
The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
11-12-2007, 03:55 AM
11-12-2007, 11:18 AM
I'm interested in the m5-aa idea.
When you say you'll be using it for estrogen control will it act like proviron?
If so i'll be happy because m5-aa is so much cheaper.
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