IBE is shady, I'm sorry if that offends anyone. I have a friend who owns a vitamin store and he's tried to call them several times to places orders, and he always gets this guy that sounds like he's in a warehouse or a car working at another job. He's also been getting shady excuses as to why they've been so out of touch with him, and they have yet to attempt to get back to him since.
As for the whiners on other BB"(.com)" boards, ya there may or may not be a banned substance in epistane, get over it that's what happens when supplement companies can and do put whatever they want into their product despite the label. Companies seem to have no moral qualms with adding or changing formulas in products w/out disclosing that info on their products. This is what scares me the most.
To IBE,
If you want people to accept you,
admit you made a mistake with epistane and fix the problem. If your source sent you "tainted" raws and you made epistane with it unknowingly just admit it and move on. And BTW release the 3rd party lab test results and settle the dispute with PA. If he's wrong great, your reputation comes out untarnished. If he's right, admit you made a mistake and move on.
Everyone needs to stop making such a big deal about this. This is what happens when we get raw materials from countries like China. Let's face it, Chine doesn't give a f)ck whether you as a consumer or the producer of a product get trenbolone or actual epistane in your epistane. See this for what it is, a misunderstanding. BUT what is shady about IBE is not that this situation is going on, BUT how they are handling it!