Please help with diet on PPlex cycle

edwards

edwards

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Hello! My next cycle is going to be a P-Plex cycle. 30/30/45/45 (last 4 days at 60) (I might add 20mg of Epistane per day to the mix. or maybe 40mg on workout days only.)

Support Supps - RPM, E-form, 3 grams per day of bulk cissus, Cycle Support

I'm looking for some diet info. I want to shed some bf. I'm currently 195lbs at 17%.

My current diet is fairly strict at 2400ish calories a day. I eat 15 calories per lb of LBM. My LBM is 161lbs. Ergo the 2400 cals per day.

Macro is as close to 40/40/20 as I can get without being neurotic about it. I cheat once or twice per week on Vanilla Yogurt Cheerios (about 300 cals worth.) I have seen a slight BF reduction on this "diet."

I eat 6 x a day. Last meal is a protein shake, 40grams of casein, whey and egg.

I work out 4 days a week. 1 1/2 hours per workout. (approx.)

I hit my muscles once per week. Here's a schedule.

Sun. Legs/Calves
Mon. Chest/Tri
Tues Back Bi
Wed/Thurs OFF
Friday Shoulders/Forearms
Sat OFF

I expect to hit the cardio 3x weekly on cycle. 30 minutes of recumbant bike or stairmaster.

I was thinking of adding another 100 calories (10 grams) of
Fish Oil.

Can I up my calories a bit and still burn fat? (trying to lose 1.5 lbs a week of fat.)


My last cycle I took Halodrol50 and ate about 3500 cals per day. I gained 10 lbs, about 2 lbs were fat.

thanks
 
edwards said:
15/30/45/45? Any ideas on diet?
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doses and diet really depend on how much you weigh

for PPlex dosing 30/30/45/45 sounds pretty good to me, when i ran it i did 30/30/30 but the last week my gains tapered off to nil, i should have gone to 45. I am 240 though, if you are 200 or under then you should take pumpingirons advice and start lower 15/30/30/45 maybe.
 
UnrealMachine said:
doses and diet really depend on how much you weigh

for PPlex dosing 30/30/45/45 sounds pretty good to me, when i ran it i did 30/30/30 but the last week my gains tapered off to nil, i should have gone to 45. I am 240 though, if you are 200 or under then you should take pumpingirons advice and start lower 15/30/30/45 maybe.
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I am 195ish. I edited original post to reflect current weight.

195 at 17% BF is 162lbs of LBM.
 
PumpingIron said:
it's all a matter of diet and how strict you are with it
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I was thinking the same thing. So let's do a little math for Edwards and myself since we're both pretty close to 200 lb.

200 pounds x 1.5g protein/pound = 300g protein

on a 40/40/20 diet, that would equal 300p/300c/60f at really close to 3000 cals/day.

I used this diet to recomp with a halo clone and gained 6 pounds while dropping just shy of 3% bodyfat. Kept every ounce of muscle but probably put on a pound or 2 of fat in post cycle.

PI, any thoughts on this diet while on PP? Carbs too low? :think:
 
That basic outline sounds really good to me, actually.

With QUALITY foods, low sodium, high water, tapering carbs...thats what I follow.

Except I'm pushing 215 nowadays and have my cals between 3.5 and 4K
 
PumpingIron said:
That basic outline sounds really good to me, actually.

With QUALITY foods, low sodium, high water, tapering carbs...thats what I follow.

Except I'm pushing 215 nowadays and have my cals between 3.5 and 4K
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So you go for about 16-18cals/pound. 3000 cal for a 200 pounder is about 15 cals/pound so we're pretty close strategically on that note.

Care to elaborate on tapering carbs while ON cycle? I would think that going any lower on carbs with phera wouldn't be a good idea, but I'd like to hear what you have to say bro :cheers:
 
ok so I'll try to stick around 3000 cals. 400/400/60. Carbs mostly in am tapered throughout the day. Will the EForm(estane) help with water retention?
 
Edwards, 400/400/60 = 3760 cals
E-form is formestane... what's estane? :think:

PI, several product descriptions, including that of PP, ADAMANTLY insist that the compound cannont aromatize. Is there another mystery conversion that accounts for estrogen with phera?

I've even heard of estrogen to the point where certain smells make you nausiated on phera, like a pregnant woman :sick:
 
celc5 said:
Edwards, 400/400/60 = 3760 cals
E-form is formestane... what's estane? :think:

PI, several product descriptions, including that of PP, ADAMANTLY insist that the compound cannont aromatize. Is there another mystery conversion that accounts for estrogen with phera?

I've even heard of estrogen to the point where certain smells make you nausiated on phera, like a pregnant woman :sick:
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whoops i meant to say 300/300/60. my bad.

when i put eform(estane) I just meant that eform was formestane. confusing, yes.

I noticed that the product description for PP (2ene) insisted it couldn't aromatize. I don't know why there would be bloat then. Isn't the bloat caused by the e conversion? i'm still new at this so i'm not sure.:afro:
 
Glad i read this. I heard PP was a lil "wet" bulker too.
Also, never knew that an AI on would help with that.

So Retain 2 / an AI can be run throught the whole cycle?
 
I wouldn't use Retain while on cycle. Your joints would be horrible.

celc, my bad with the ai, i just wasnt thinking it through. and i hadn't read up on the PP description for quite a while. if it doesnt aromatise then the eform would be pretty useless.
 
heres a link to the original Pheraplex description. Invalid Link Removed

I've got Cissus to help out the ol joints.
 
Phera is a little wet for some and dry for some go figure:think: I thought it did aromatise a bit though. Or is that Ergo I am think of?
 
PumpingIron said:
I wouldn't use Retain while on cycle. Your joints would be horrible.

celc, my bad with the ai, i just wasnt thinking it through. and i hadn't read up on the PP description for quite a while. if it doesnt aromatise then the eform would be pretty useless.
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PI, no you're not wrong. That's exactly where all the confusion is with PP as UNCfan stated. It's not SUPPOSED to aromatize, but it sure looks like it gives estrogenic sides to a lot of people.

Edwards, I think EVERYONE is confused about this. So it's not just you because you're new. I have a few supporting supps in the stash that may or may not be used on cycle. They include Cissus, formestane, taurine, trib. They won't get used unless necessary.
 
Have there been any reports from users of gyno during a PP cycle? Or was it after cycle with a poor post cycle therapy? I ask cause I have seen guys complain about some water retention and fat build up while on. Of course that could have been to diet as well.

Also I was reading about Madol which is pretty much PP. William Lwyellen(sp) was saying that its effects are close to Tren or Winstrol which after seeing user feedback is far from the case. I am and will stayed confused on Phera/Ergo. LOL oh well.
 
I was lookin around and i notice to alot almost everyone reports water and fat increase. I also noticed alot of people say the same about the sides, particulalry this compound is still experimental and unclear in its actions. Im hesitant to run it now, i may run it first just so the others will help me lean out. I just got down 10 lbs and dontfeel like going back to that unless it lean.
 
One quick question, sorry for going off topic but maybe someone can help me out.

Winstrol- Androgenic- 30 Anabolic- 320

Madol- Androgenic- 187 Anabolic- 1200

He stated that the Madol wasn't as androgenic as winstrol, maybe I miss read it. The standard is compared both to was methlytest.

:think: I was never good at math but Madol seems to be more androgenic by the numbers right?
 
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