H-Drol/Furazadrol Stack: Log
- 09-17-2007, 09:36 AM
H-Drol/Furazadrol Stack: Log
For those interested in Competative Edge Labs (H-Drol) and Axis Labs (Furazadrol), I will be stacking both for 4 weeks planned.
This will be my first experience with any PH/Designers. Though I have done a lot of research, I am always willing to learn more. For those that wish to follow through with me, please feel free to drop in on any suggestions, advices, or comments along the way.
Hopefully, for anybody that is interested but have not done any PH/Designers will find this log helpful. I've chosen H-Drol because of the reports users have with it as a first cycle (milder compared to others PH's). Axis Labs Furazadrol is added because of its use to lean out and I thought it would balance the H-Drol well.
The cycle will look something like this:
Week 1: H-Drol 50mg/Furaz 100mg
Week 2: H-Drol 50mg/Furaz 100mg
Week 3: H-Drol 50mg/Furaz 100mg
Week 4: H-Drol 50mg/Furaz 100mg
(I've decided to go ahead and start with H-Drol at 50mg though some like to start cycles at a lower dose. If it was M-Drol for instance, I would probably start low.)
For PCT, I've still not decided whether I will use a SERM or not so I've outlined 2 different PCT's. I DO have a SERM on hand (Toremifene Citrate) if needed.
For PCT, what is being used/or on hand are:
- Toremifene Citrate 30ml (SERM)
- Inhibite-E by SNS (ATD)
- Activate Xtreme by Designer Supplements (Test Booster)
- Lean Extreme by Designer Supplements (Cortisol Control)
For general health:
- Vitamins of sorts
- Perfect Cycle
Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations which includes,
- Red Yeast Rice 1200 mg
- Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000 mg
- NAC 1200 mg
- Hawthorn Berry 1000 mg
- Saw Palmetto 300 mg
- Policosonol 20 mg
- Celery Seed Extract 150 mg
- Nettle Root 250 mg
- Idebenone 100 mg
PCT w/ SERM:
Week 1: (Days 1,2,3,4) Torem 120mg/Inhibit-E 25mg/ActX 4 Caps
Week 1: (Days 5,6,7) Torem 90mg/Inhibit-E 25mg/ActX 4 Caps
Week 2: Torem 60mg/Inhibit-E 25mg/ActX 4 Caps
Week 3: Torem 30mg/Inhibit-E 50mg/Lean Extreme 1 Cap
Week 4: (Days 1,2,3,4) Inhibit-E 100mg/Lean Extreme 2 Caps
Week 4: (Days 5,6,7) Inhibit-E 75mg/Lean Extreme 3 Caps
Than everything stops on Week 5.
PCT w/out SERM:
Week 1: Inhibit-E 75mg/ActX 4 Caps
Week 2: Inhibit-E 50mg/ActX 4 Caps
Week 3: Inhibit-E 50mg/ActX 4 Caps/Lean Extreme 2 Caps
Week 4: Inhibit-E 25mg/ActX 4 Caps/Lean Extreme 3 Caps
Than everything stops on Week 5.
I'm not sure what PCT method I will take yet, but it might be determined by how shut down I get.
Please feel free to make any suggestion, any would be appreciated.
I also want to thank everyone that has answered my questions along the way as I was researching. All the help has made a difference.
- 09-17-2007, 06:27 PM
considering a similar cycle, want to stack Fura with something else for a good strength/cutting cycle, hdrol is one of my options. Definitely will follow your log...
As for the PCT, I always assume the worst- bloodwork is the best way to determine how shutdown you are, so if you are not going to run some tests then just go the SERM route.
If you really want mild though, and still want to stack the Fura, try IBE's Epi instead of the hdrol. (this is based on what I have read, personally only done Havoc cycles so far)
- 09-17-2007, 11:40 PM
Hope you do follow through and start yourself! I will start logging when I get everything together which will be soon.
09-19-2007, 11:24 AM
Yesterday, I finally began the cycle. As for H-Drol, I took 25mg in the morning and 25mg pre-workout. The Fura I took 50mg pre-workout and will take another 50mg before sleep.
Nothing out of the ordinary yet. I'm not really expecting anything drastic like M-Drol.
As for my meals, I concentrated a lot on carbs and protein. If I'm not mistaken, it's prefered to consume carbs while taking the H-Drol?
Most of what I will report are any indication of changes, side effects, and my overall routine while on this stack. I'm not really going to get into my workout routine or anything like that. I think by now we should all have that down packed if we are taking any PH's in the first place. But I will report any strength gaines or losses.
I'm also taking creatine monohydrate as well. I'm not sure yet if this is a good idea, normally CEE is taken instead so I might cut the monohydrate out. Also, before workout I took some N.O. as I usually do. Probably in a a few days I will take this out as well. I didn't think the H-Drol would give me the pump yet being this early on.
For anyone who is interested in this cycle as well and have questions, I'd be glad to answer them.
09-19-2007, 11:26 AM
I'm considering increasing the dosage on H-Drol from 50mg to 75mg. I've read in another forum that users have reported better results doing so. What do you guys think of this?
09-22-2007, 08:52 PM
09-23-2007, 01:20 AM
I'm up to day 5 of this stack. So far, everything has been real slow and steady. Not to many significant changes to really report. The only thing to report is my muscles feel a bit tighter and my body a "bit" fuller. Weight has gone up about 5lbs, but I can't really say I can physically tell by looking.
Changes with this stack are real slow and steady.
A couple days ago I felt a bit of high blood pressure and actually had a headache. I've gotten some hawthorne to help this.
For anyone who is looking for a first PH or stack, this is probably ideal as it's not real dramatic. But it is still early to make any final reviews and any changes can happen real quick.
Any suggestions, advices, questions, or comments?
09-23-2007, 04:10 AM
Def. up the fura. and you need to run another bottle of it aswell. I would be taking a minimum of at least 4 pills a days. I might would even up that to 6 a day, 2/2/2 throughout the day. It works well, but you need to up it and order another bottle.
09-25-2007, 11:00 PM
09-26-2007, 01:40 AM
09-26-2007, 02:05 AM
Week 1 ended yesterday. Anyways, so far the most major thing to note is the strength increase. I was called "a beast" at the gym if that makes any difference. I think stamina is the most significant change. It's strange because weight has gone up to about 6lbs now but not to much physical changes other than looking a bit harder. I've gained about 1lbs since a few days ago.
Diet has been good and clean. Some have reported that Fura decrease their appetite, but this is not so for me.
One thing I question and wonder is whether Fura flattens your body out because it is a leaning agent. I feel as if the Fura is flattening out my gaines. Muscle-belly has not been as full especially with the weight increase. I'm not sure if my body is not responding well with the H-Drol and Fura combo.
By the way, I've increased my Fura to about 150mg a day.
09-26-2007, 02:08 AM
What I am feeling is a bit of tension inside the lower left area of my stomach. Not sure what it is, but it's barely noticable.
09-26-2007, 03:31 AM
Nice gains so far!
I finished a 5 week 75mg cycle of Halo 3 weeks ago and got some great gains! I was actually thinking of stacking Halo with Furazadrol but decided not to since it was my first cycle. Whats your starting weight?
If I cant get my hands on some Test in a few months I may try this stack. Only complaint I have about Halo is it thinned my hair and it could be because I took it 1 week longer then I should of or because I upped the dose to 75mg? Or then again I could be prone to MPB, are you?
Whats keeping you from using the Toremifene Citrate for pct?
I would use it during pct if I were you. Not sure if I can credit taking Toremifene Citrate, Retain 2 or Powerfull but I only lost 1 lb at the end of pct.
09-26-2007, 05:33 PM
I'm doing this same stack now, but after week 1 uped to 75 of h-drol, and plan on doing the final 14-16 days at 100. Doing 150 of furaza throughout.
PCT will be dermacrin sustain, retain and maybe powerFULL. Hoping that's enough. I've read enough about sustain acting in place of a SERM to go for it, b/c I hate the side effect possibilities of a pharmaceutical grade SERM.
Anyway, also running beta alanine, MAP Vaporize, a multi, and Leviathan for energy, and Somatomax for upped GH levels during sleep, while on cycle.
On day 12 so far (75/150) and loving the strength gains. Up a few pounds. I'll definitely keep you posted.
09-26-2007, 07:31 PM
Thanks for posting and hope you follow along. Do you have a log up??
09-26-2007, 07:33 PM
09-26-2007, 07:55 PM
Just ordered Dermcrine Sustain and hear it's the real deal. Reservatrol is supposed to be a legit PCT. It's in 6-oxo extreme, but supposedly it's better transdermally than orally.
Don't really have time for a formal log. I'll keep updating within this one if it's cool with you.
09-26-2007, 11:21 PM
Def. you can log your updates here.
09-27-2007, 12:45 PM
09-27-2007, 02:49 PM
09-27-2007, 03:36 PM
09-27-2007, 05:54 PM
09-27-2007, 09:54 PM
You've convinced me to keep it at 75, but I'm doing to do it through week 5 (35 days) instead of just 4.
PCT will be sustain, activate extreme, powerFULL and mega dosed retain2.
Also, probably will start a bottle of gaspari novodex I have in a week or so. Today was day 13 of the cycle.
09-28-2007, 04:27 AM
What are you guys worried about with the serms, what sides are you worried about? Now Clomid I understand but Nolva didnt give me any sides that I know of. I know people have gotten away with no serm with low dose cycle of only one compound but with two I would be worried about losing all that weight after the cycle.
How much weight have you gained so far?
09-28-2007, 11:32 AM
09-28-2007, 12:04 PM
09-30-2007, 01:46 PM
Week 2 is about to end and so far strength is still up. My body is beginning to look a bit fuller. I've been critical about not seeing "physical" results but it is becoming noticable. The physically changes are more structural changes rather than size changes. My body looks fuller and has become harder. As for size, I've grown a bit, but I believe it's do the the amount of food I've been consuming.
Many have noticed changes. I've been told I look bigger and more define and my shape is coming along much nicer. Body is looking leaner as well. It's hard to tell when you see yourself everyday. Sometimes others eyes can tell you much more.
Anyways, mood has been great.
I was having a bit of pain in the lower left side of my stomach. I've began taking Life Support from AI 4 hrs after my H-Drol. This was avoided due to its claim of hindering the effects of H-Drol, but when in doubt I decided to be cautious.
09-30-2007, 08:20 PM
10-01-2007, 11:43 PM
Are you saying that you are SUPPOSED to take the cycle cupport 4 hours after the H-drol dose, or not? I'm starting the 4th week of my cycle and have been taking it in the morning, H-drol in the afternoon/evening (3-5pm) and cycle cupport again before bed (around 10/11)
10-02-2007, 05:53 PM
subbed. i would like to run furazadrol with pp. definately get SERM. Hdrol/furaz will shut ya down good. You might not be sensitive to gyno, but why risk it. I noticed most gains with Hrol during week 3/4. I would have definately run it another week. Your plan of 50/50/75/75/75 looks great. Thats exactly what I would do. Keep it up. I took my cycle support in the am and pm, like the directions said. keep a close eye on your blood pressure. good luck
10-02-2007, 08:40 PM
I just got my MDrol and Fura today. Starting that tomorrow. Hoping for solid results that I see here
10-02-2007, 10:35 PM
10-02-2007, 10:36 PM
10-02-2007, 10:37 PM
10-02-2007, 10:40 PM
With M-Drol I would look for a SERM in my opinion. Some would go the Sustain route.
10-02-2007, 11:30 PM
Crusir how's your cycle going?
I'm amazed at how my body feels and looks. Weight is about the same but I'm much dryer and leaner--probably as cut up as I've ever been. Making great strength gains too. Only other supps are MAN Vaporize (good stuff) and Leviathan (great stuff).
Wish I knew which (Halo or Furaz) was more responsible, unless maybe it's equal.
I hate changing gears mid-cycle, but now I'm thinking of tapering off the Halo (i.e. back to 50 until the bottle is gone) and doing another 1/2 bottle of Furaz at 150/day, and THEN doing PCT.
10-03-2007, 05:41 AM
extending the time extends the likelylihood and level of shutdown... so be extra careful there
10-03-2007, 12:32 PM
10-03-2007, 04:29 PM
10-03-2007, 09:35 PM
Also as an FYI if your using Cycle support it has RYR in it and RYR reduces overall CoQ10 in the body (or so I've read). Also cycle support has Idebenone in it (100mg's):
Also write up:Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Scoop
Servings per Container: 60
2 Servings Provide
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value
Red Yeast Rice
Silymarin (milk thistle extract) 1000mg **
NAC 1200mg **
Hawthron Bery 1000mg **
Saw Palmetto 300mg **
Policosonol 20mg **
Celery Seed Extract 150mg **
Nettle Root 250mg **
Idebenone 100mg **
Idebenone is an analog of the very popular CoQ10. In most respects, Idebenone shares its traits with Coenzyme Q10 and like Coenzyme Q10 is might be useful for aging. It differs from it in some important ways, which may make it more useful. Under certain circumstances, Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) may become a pro-oxidant. These circumstances are conditions in which hypoxia or lack of oxygen occurs.
In cases of shock, heart attack, stroke, or poor circulation, CoQ10 auto-oxidizes and unleashes massive amounts of various free radicals that damage delicate tissues and because CoQ10 is necessary for electron transport and ATP (chemical energy) production, cellular death may ensue. Idebenone, on the other hand, suppresses free radicals and continues ATP production in hypoxic situations. This may make it a useful supplement for individuals at risk for those conditions.
Other important traits of Idebenone not shared by CoQ10 include the ability to raise the brain's serotonin levels like the SSRI antidepressants (Prozac) and it also increases the brain levels of nerve growth factor. Another trait is to protect the myelin sheath from damage as well as the mitochondria that has important implications in Multiple Sclerosis.
The ability to enhance serotonin production occurs even under less than optimal conditions such as those whose diet contains little L-Tryptophan.
Naturally, nerve growth is a desired result in many conditions. In Alzheimer's Disease, for example, several studies show dose dependent improvements when compared to placebo as measured by different tests when taking Idebenone. An abstract said, "Treatment with idebenone was found effective on memory, attention, and orientation and in slowing down the natural progressive worsening of the disease."
The following conditions may benefit from Idebenone: Brain enhancement as a nootropic, stroke, Alzheimer's, dementia, surgical candidates, cardiovascular, MS, other demyelination conditions, aging, depression, Friedreich's Ataxia, and liver problems.7
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