4 vs 8 weeks of T1 Pro

[iamcdn]

i was wondering why most ppl suggest running 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off with 2 PCT's.

why not run 8 on with need for only 1 PCT (thus not having to deal with clomid and nolva sides twice in 4 months)

[sikdogg]

I like two back-to-back 4week cycles over one 8week b/c my nads recover faster. 4weeks on a transderm is hard enough when you have a girlfriend, but 8weeks makes thing really tough.

[iamcdn]

so you do 8 weeks on then PCT and you find your recover faster?

[sikdogg]

My nads recover better on a 4on/4off/4on/8off then over a straight 8week cycle.

[iamcdn]

bump: why do most ppl suggest running 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off with 2 PCT's ... faster recovery is that the only reason

[Iron Warrior]

Originally posted by iamcdn
bump: why do most ppl suggest running 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off with 2 PCT's ... faster recovery is that the only reason

IMO it's gotta do with Testosterone shut down, but that's what Clomid-Nolva-HCG are for. I'd rather do fewer 8 weeks than more frequent 4 week cycles, but some people like the 4on 4off strategy better

[windwords7]

It acutally has to do with the fact that MOST people have little to no gains after week 4 on dermals. The recovery issues are secondary. The evidence speaks for itsefl. Its better to gain for 4 weeks, take a break and the gain for 4 more rather than gain for the first 4 on an 8 week cycle and then gain little to nothing the next 4 weeks.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by windwords7
It acutally has to do with the fact that MOST people have little to no gains after week 4 on dermals. The recovery issues are secondary. The evidence speaks for itsefl. Its better to gain for 4 weeks, take a break and the gain for 4 more rather than gain for the first 4 on an 8 week cycle and then gain little to nothing the next 4 weeks.

Also by running a cycle 8 weeks you run the chance of increasing side effects.  I know There is another thread going on about this and Chemo wants to revisit the benefits of running a cycle 6 to 8 weeks long for people that use clomid or nolva post cycle.

[iamcdn]

Originally posted by NPursuit


Also by running a cycle 8 weeks you run the chance of increasing side effects.  I know There is another thread going on about this and Chemo wants to revisit the benefits of running a cycle 6 to 8 weeks long for people that use clomid or nolva post cycle.

yah i was talking to KC about this after i made my post (http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...&threadid=6712)

chemo wants to suggest 6-8 if you have proper meds, clomid, nolvadex over 6 oxo or tribex or something along the "natural" route

im curious, ive heard ppl start to see gains at week 3, but also gains stop at week 4 .. .i find it hard to believe .... and 2 PCT's suck ....

[windwords7]

Most peoples gains on PH's start sooner than 3 weeks. I gained weight right away.

[iamcdn]

****, i have no idea now ... a couple admins say 4weeks... a couple say 6-8 weeks

im so confused right now ...

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by iamcdn
****, i have no idea now ... a couple admins say 4weeks... a couple say 6-8 weeks

im so confused right now ...

 

IMO if this is your first cycle I would stay with 4 weeks.

[Iron Warrior]

I guess I can go with N'Pursuits recommendation if this is your first cycle than see how you like a 4 week cycle.

[Big D]

I would difinitely start with 4 weeks, but if your still gaining hard, I might consider going further. I'm in week 5 and so far I feel like I might go to 6. Listen to your body: Why stop if your not slowing down? Why continue if you feel like your not gaining any more?

[SCORPIO]

Originally posted by Big D
I would difinitely start with 4 weeks, but if your still gaining hard, I might consider going further. I'm in week 5 and so far I feel like I might go to 6. Listen to your body: Why stop if your not slowing down? Why continue if you feel like your not gaining any more?

This advice is right on the money. If you have experience with ph's and hardly come across any sides, go with the longer cycle. Be sure you have nolva/clomid or both. With the current recipie and access to stronger meds, I see no problem doing longer cycles, as long as you know what you're doing. Good luck.

[ManBeast]

Originally posted by Big D
I would difinitely start with 4 weeks, but if your still gaining hard, I might consider going further. I'm in week 5 and so far I feel like I might go to 6. Listen to your body: Why stop if your not slowing down? Why continue if you feel like your not gaining any more?

Originally posted by SCORPIO


This advice is right on the money. If you have experience with ph's and hardly come across any sides, go with the longer cycle. Be sure you have nolva/clomid or both. With the current recipie and access to stronger meds, I see no problem doing longer cycles, as long as you know what you're doing. Good luck.

Y'all totally took the words right outta my mouth, perfect advice.

ManBeast

[Kitchen Chemist]

Yeah bro, with the t1 pro it can either last two four weekers or one eight weeker so it'll make no difference whether you decide to stop after 4 weeks. IMO all weight gained in the first couple weeks is attributed to water from the 4-ad though.

[myofreak]

I am personally experimenting with this as i have decided to push my cycle 5weeks.And i will continue to push them to a limit of 8 weeks noting sides,results and so on.Unfortunately right now i am having terrible joint pains that seems to be subsiding slowly.Started 2 weeks into cycle and slowly goin away.

[phil216]

split the difference and go with 6 weeks, works best for me anyway.