If Epi was testosterone, it wouldn't work for beans b/c testosterone is NOT 17a protected (w/ a methyl group is how it is usually done) and would be totally destroyed before it made it through first pass metabolism, thus the need for injectable Test.
They're all anabolic hormones, they all work, but some may work better than others because despite what's on the label it would appear they're not all the same thing, that's the bottom line. Results have been good with Epi and Havoc.
I know that, I thought the 'lab results' post that went around a while ago was due to the lab not being able match the active in epi with anything 'known', so they compared it to testosterone. Which then caused everyone to think that they were all underdosed.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64182-epistane-test-results.html
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The next results for the three products by RTP Labs was:
(Data posted in Chapter 1 Thread and a separate COC test on Epistane ordered by Mike McCandless)
Epistane - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.8mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
One major peak found with a MW of 270
Havoc - Est. amount per capsule tested = 3.3mg
Amount on label = 10.0mg
Two major peaks found with MW of 286 and 288
Hemaguno - Est. amount per capsule tested = 2.0mg
Amount on label = 12.5mg
Three major peaks were found with 2 compounds identified as Palmitic and Stearic Acid and one with a MW of 288.
Explanation:
They are testing against testosterone, which is not the most accurate way to test the dose without a standard and could be the reason the numbers are coming out like this. Although, some were claiming Epistane to be an under-dosed product, it became evident that we were correct in assuming that the tests may have been skewed when comparing, with the same procedure, for other similar products. Amazingly the same people who argued that we had an under-dosed product quickly changed stances when the new data was available.
Furthermore, we were told by the analytical party, as well as what had been discussed at great length on several discussion boards, that there is a justification argument for a MW finding of 270 and an argument for 288 without a standard.
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