how does this cycle look
- 08-22-2007, 03:49 AM
how does this cycle look
week 1-12- 500 mg eq (2 times a week
week 1-12- 250 mg test e a week(2 times a week
week 4-10 300 mg tren e( 2 times a week
week 1-12 .5 mg arimidex ( every day
im also going to kickstart with an oral which i havent chosen....with this cycle im trying to lose some fat gain some muscle and not bloat and i threw some test to maintain healthy libido and sex drive, but hopefully not enough to bloat me and cause acne and other androgenic sides........any recommendations on which oral would work well with that cycle
- 08-22-2007, 10:40 AM
so you want to lean bulk? id say tbol or anavar or even winstrol. good luck.
btw, i think you should run the tren e from week 1, i dont see why you would wait.
08-22-2007, 04:18 PM
well im buying 10 ml of 200 mg/ml tren E so if anyone thinks ill get better results using it differently chime in....i know for some tren can have some unpleasent sides so i was choosing to run it for shorter than the test alone.....also does anybody think my libido will be fine on that much test, and do most users notice androgenic sides like bloat and acne on such a low dose of test?
08-22-2007, 05:28 PM
you need to discontinue the tren E 4 weeks before PCT, or recovery is going to be ridiculous.
eq is cut out 3 weeks before PCT.
the cycle is not long enough to take full advantage of EQ
08-22-2007, 07:06 PM
how about this
week 1-14 (350 mg test E a week
week 1-10 (500 mg eq a week
week 1-10 (200 mg tren E a week
week 1-14 (.5 mg arimidex every day
wek 1-4 (undecided oral
this is another way that i could make it practical......this would require an extra vial of test for some extra weeks.....at that dosage im concerned about acne and bloat especially in the face......i might just run it lower dose and have some extra test laying around. still undecided on oral.
08-22-2007, 11:48 PM
the EQ aromatizes half as much as testosterone, and the tren E acts as a prolactin stimulating progestin.
you may get bloat in the face anyway, even with a low dose of testosterone. you really cant run a cycle and expect to avoid a simple side effect like that....
08-23-2007, 12:56 AM
what if i were to run the cycle with out test.....and maybe throw in some masteron E......or some provieron?
08-23-2007, 03:38 AM
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08-23-2007, 05:53 AM
08-23-2007, 10:13 AM
I'd extend the EQ...15 or 16 weeks...and run the test 1 week past that.
Be careful with the Tren Enanthate, it's supposidely stronger than acetate.
08-23-2007, 10:19 AM
Your already running twice as much tren as test...which is the opposite of the norm ,you will be shut down about week 3 if not sooner....Although I feel your doses are very low anyways,why would you not want to run test strong...test should be the staple in your cycle...then the other stuff...If you run less test than tren your gonna be limp d1ckin' it the whole cycle basically...if tren is doesed at 500mg week,test should be at least 600mg week....don't be scared to go higher...If you gonna do it,Do it Right!!
08-23-2007, 04:30 PM
08-23-2007, 04:32 PM
08-23-2007, 04:39 PM
08-23-2007, 09:15 PM
08-23-2007, 09:22 PM
Yeah I am a huge tren fan,I've got to the point where I run 150mg ed tren ace,taking drol/dbol,and 200mg T prop ed....thats my typical short ester (lean bulk) cycle...
I ran tren E 1,500mg a week for 2-3 weeks just a couple weeks ago and it felt nothing like running tren ace...tren ace will light you on fire,one of the few steroids that just rips fat off me like nothing else...its not proven but ask anyone,heavy tren ace and you'll have veins poppin' out everywhere....not much other gear will take/keep fat off like tren,tren is some very strong stuff,and usually you will get the worst sides you could possibly get from tren...vs other gear...Lots of water is vital ...tren makes me a straight up A$$hole to be around too,but then again I'm already an A$$hole,just provokes it I suppose...
08-23-2007, 09:29 PM
08-23-2007, 09:31 PM
08-23-2007, 09:41 PM
08-24-2007, 04:00 AM
08-24-2007, 08:34 AM
Last sentence of this write up...If you want a higher dose of Tren and less frequent shots you will want to consider Tren Enanthate. This is an extremely powerful steroid and not for beginners.Trenabol 200 is a long-acting injectable steroid with a great effect on protein metabolism. Trenbolone is one of the best effective anabolic compounds, promoting protein synthesis, as well as creating a positive nitrogen balance. It is an appetite stimulant and improves the conversion of proteins. In laboratory tests, it has been demonstrated that trenbolone increases protein and decreases fat deposition. It has proven to be an excellent product for promoting size and strength in the presence of adequate protein and calories, promotes body tissue building processes, and can reverse catabolism. Due to its particular ester, trenbolone enanthate is slower-acting than trenbolone acetate and faster acting than trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate. Based on its molecular structure, trenabol enanthate is theoretically stronger than either trenbolone acetate or trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate.
08-24-2007, 09:43 AM
Where's that from,doesn't make any sense...unless they're just kinda saying be more careful as its a longer ester,which I can understand.I was just curious where you heard that from.Cause I've used every form of tren known to man,and let me say by all means the shorter the ester the stronger that stuff is,Anyone besides me shot A Waterbase Tren Base Susp 3x ed,if you think tren ace is some heavy sh1t,get your hands on some Tren Base Susp some time,Its so stout I could seriously see how someone could put theirselves in the ER of the stuff,OMG if you hit a vein by mistake,I think it might just kill you...Bar none the stoutest shots I've ever taken....I'm a big fan of waterbase Base susp's...Talk about fast acting...and of course you can use slin pins when its waterbase...
08-24-2007, 09:58 AM
I wish I could give you the link...but it's from a sources write-up...
I understand what your saying though...but I think that the longer ester and the build up can prove to be a bad thing. I mean you do use less mg/day with enanthate then you would with acetate, so it makes sense...
08-24-2007, 10:01 AM
Thats being said,I'm retarted,don't do any of the things I do...Also to point out I'm 28,I myself wouldn't even do the things I do if I when 21-22,etc...this is a key point..By all means if less works for you then why waste good gear.
I think Once you've crossed over to the "darkside" of high doeses of gear,and felt those kind of blood levels,its hard to go back to moderate dosing...I'll actually be probably putting myself on HRT between cycles within a few years,I'm pretty positive I could probably get prescribed some test anyways,Know a couple younger guys that are already on HRT and much younger than me...both of them still cycle...one of them keeps his gains and doesn't even really PCT,other than to combat gyno/etc...kinda makes you think...
I mean as soon as your done cycling,its back to your doc prescribed maintenence dose of Test Cyp 200mg a week...kinda makes keeping gains pretty easy if you think about it,Some of the Old school guys would use low dose test as pct back in the day anyways,Although I love some HCG,but I hate clomid,that stuff breaks me out for real...
08-24-2007, 10:05 AM
getswole, I don't mean to be a d*ck by saying this, but don't you think you use too much gear? I mean isn't using it as a crutch not really the best thing in the world?
just something that caught my eye...i hope it doens't come off poorly...
08-24-2007, 10:19 AM
Oh I agree completely,Right now I could make ten full cycles out of my current 8 wkr...so yes,def alot of gear,....too much????for some maybe,for others probably not...Would Coleman say Its too much..doubt it,well actually he would since he swears to be NAtty,lol....besides their endorsement deals,you will never really hear from many top pros what works for them,its their trade secret,I HONESLTY FEEL LIKE 95% OF WHAT YOU READ ON THESE TYPE Forums and online in general,is just the same repetitive BS that some scrawny high school kid just read some where and reposted somewhere else,fact is there aren't alot of human trials as far as body building purposes concerning steroid use,for obvious reasons,But I suggest everyone experiment for theirselves,some also respond less to gear,and some respond better,just like some have better genetics and some don't its all a guessing agme and just going by what you read somewhere is just most likely that repetive crap I'm talking about,If you don't try upping your doses,you will never know.A while back I was chattin w/ Beelze,he said something I liked,he said "I'd rather look back and regret doing something,than regret NOT doing something."You have to be open minded,if its too much your body will tell you,HEY ****er,thats too much!!You just have to listen...
08-24-2007, 10:32 AM
just to play devils advocate...like usual...i have spoken candidly with a few top level NPC guys and I know the basics of what they use (granted I have never seen them inject) but it's not that much. I think the addition of growth has brought a lot of the useage down...
I mean I'm 210 @ 5'11 and probably around 8%, and I'm only on my first 'real' cycle...
08-24-2007, 04:45 PM
not to mention that permanent gene therapy already exists (1 injection...gene inserted into your genome for life) to cause the body to produce 200% of its natural MGF levles. I havent heard of anyone being able to get their hands on this...but it wouldnt surprise me if top level olympic, nfl, BB,PL are already looking into it.
08-24-2007, 04:47 PM
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