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    TripDogs official Boldenone / 1,4-ad thread


    With the upcoming release of 1,4-ad powder this thread is dedicated to the effects of boldenone...lets post as much as we can about boldenone..conversions of 1,4-ad,doses,side effects,anabolic effects,personal experience,aa ratio,stack options,and anything we can to prep ourselves....I plan on using at least a gram a day with my next test cycle........lets begin..............
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    Active Life: 14-16 days
    Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection)
    Average Dose: Men 400-600 mg/week......women 50-150 mg/week
    Acne: Rare
    Water Retention: Low
    High Blood Pressure: Rare
    Liver Toxic: No
    Aromatization: Some, about 50% less than testosterone
    DHT Conversion: Low
    Decrease HPTA function: Moderate


    Equipoise® is the popular brand name for the veterinary injectable steroid boldenone undecylenate. It is a derivative of testosterone, which exhibits strong anabolic and moderately androgenic properties. The undecylenate ester greatly extends the activity of the drug (the undecylenate ester is only one carbon atom longer than decanoate), so that clinically injections would need to be repeated every three or four weeks. In the veterinary feild Equipoise is most commonly used on horses, exhibiting a pronounced effect on lean bodyweight, appetite and general disposition of the animal. As with all steroids, this compound shows a marked ability for increasing red blood cell production. In recent years this compound has become a favorite among athletes. Many consider it an ideal replacement to Deca-Durabolin.

    The side effects of Equipoise are generally mild. The structure of boldenone does allow it to convert into estrogen, but it does not have an extremely high affinity to do so. If we look at aromatization studies, they suggest that its rate of estrogen conversion should be about half that of testosterone's. Water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca-Durabolin (with an estimated 20% conversion), but much less than we would find with a stronger compound as Testosterone. While there is still a chance of encountering an estrogen related side effect as such when using Equipoise, problems are usually not encountered at a moderate dosage level. Gynecomastia might become a problem, but usually only with very sensitive individuals or (again) with those using higher dosages. If estrogenic effects become a problem, the addition of Nolvadex should of course make the cycle more tolerable. An anti-aromatase such as Arimidex, Femara, or Amonasin would be a stronger option, however probably not necessary with such a mild drug.

    Although typically dosage related, Equipoise can also produce distinct androgenic side effects. Oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are all possible with this compound. Women find this drug quite comfortable, virilization symptoms usually unheard of when taken at low doses. Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen (dihydroboldenone) via the 5alpha reductase enzyme (which produces DHT from testosterone), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent. Therefore the reductase inhibitor Proscar would not be of much use with Equipoise,as it would be blocking what is at best an insignificant path of metabolism for the steroid. Although this drug is relatively mild, it still has a depressive effect on endogenous testosterone levels, therefore a proper post cycle therapy HCG and Clomid/Nolvadex is needed at the conclusion of each cycle to avoid a "crash". A waiting time of around 3 weeks is required before starting post cycle therapy, enabling enough of the drug to clear one's system to make post cycle therapy effective.

    In order to maintain stable blood levels, Equipoise should be injected at least once per week. It is most commonly used at a dosage of 400-600mg per week for men, 50-150 mg per week for women.

    Equipoise is not a rapid mass builder, but will provide a slow but steady gain of strength and quality muscle mass. The most positive effects of this drug are seen when it is used for longer cycles, usually lasting at least 10 weeks in length. The muscle gained should not be the smooth bulk seen with androgens, but instead a very defined and solid look. Since water bloat is not contributing greatly to the diameter of the muscle, much of the size gained on a cycle of Equipoise can be retained after the drug has been discontinued. It is interesting to note that structurally Equipoise and the classic bulking drug Dianabol are almost identical. In the case of Equipoise the compound uses a l7beta ester (undecylenate), while Dianabol is 17 alpha alkylated. Aside from that difference, the drugs are basically the same. Of course they act quite differently in the body, which goes to show the 17-methylation effects more than just the oral efficancy of a steroid.

    As discussed earlier, Equipoise is a very versatile compound. We can create a number of drug combinations with it depending on the desired result. For mass, one may want to stack it with Anadrol or an injectable testosterone. The result should be an incredible gain of muscle size and strength, without the same intensity of side effects if using the androgen (at a higher dose) alone. When used in a cutting cycle, muscle hardness and density can be greatly improved when combining Equipoise with a non-aromatizable steroid such as trenbolone acetate, Halotestin, or Winstrol. For some however, even the low buildup of estrogen associated with this compound is enough to relegate its use to bulking cycles only.

    Equipoise is not an ideal steroid for the drug tested athlete however. This drug has the tendency to produce detectable metabolites in the urine months after use, a worry most commonly associated with Deca-Durabolin. This is of course due to the high oil solubility of long chain esterified injectable steroids, a property which enables the drug to remain deposited in fatty tissues for extended periods of time. While this will reliably slow the release of steroid into the blood stream, it also allows small residual amounts to remain present in the body far after the initial injection. The release of stubborn stores of hormone would no doubt also be enhanced around contest time, a period when the athlete drastically attempts to mobilize unwanted body fat. If enough were used in the off-season, the athlete may actually fail a drug screen for boldenone although many months may have past since the drug was last injected.
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    quoted from Rodja-"With ~45% absorption and then ~15% conversion, you would need about 1.5g/day for 700mg of boldenone/week."...(this is for the bulk powder)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    With the upcoming release of 1,4-ad powder this thread is dedicated to the effects of boldenone...lets post as much as we can about boldenone..conversions of 1,4-ad,doses,side effects,anabolic effects,personal experience,aa ratio,stack options,and anything we can to prep ourselves....I plan on using at least a gram a day with my next test cycle........lets begin..............
    WTF did I miss? Upcoming release....hasnt 1,4ad powder been available for a while now?

    Nice post though....better than a holla back girl video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    quoted from Rodja-"With ~45% absorption and then ~15% conversion, you would need about 1.5g/day for 700mg of boldenone/week."
    Then explain how people see gains with 500mg a week? Over a 16 week period of course...
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    I wonder if Trisorbagen would help with better absorption.
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    Probably would Red.
    Or grapefruit juice.
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    apparantly oral is the best way to take the powder...i was thinking a transdermal would be more effective...according to dsade sence the boioavalability is so high there would really be no need for a dermal......just throwin that out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    apparantly oral is the best way to take the powder...i was thinking a transdermal would be more effective...according to dsade sence the boioavalability is so high there would really be no need for a dermal......just throwin that out there
    Especially if you throw in some trisorbagen or grapefruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Especially if you throw in some trisorbagen or grapefruit.
    im not very fimiliar with Trisorbagen,what exactly is it??
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    by Bill Roberts - Boldenone appears to be comparable to nandrolone in its potency. It lacks nandrolone’s advantage of being metabolically deactivated by 5a -reductase. It is only slightly estrogenic, and only after conversion to estrogen. I cannot at the moment comment on whether the effect it does produce is owed to strong binding at the AR or to effectiveness in promoting non-AR-mediated mechanisms for growth. I wouldn’t expect much results with less than 400 mg/week. With that dose I would expect to see some noticeable but not dramatic results by the third week. Below 200 mg/week I would expect to see essentially nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    im not very fimiliar with Trisorbagen,what exactly is it??
    It is a supplement designed to help not only with bioavailability of PH/PS, but pretty much all supplements. There is an FAQ over at the AX subforum.
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    With 50% bioavail - I agree on trans vs. oral.

    It's the conversion to the active that really drags down 1,4. Only 15% ain't good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmh80 View Post
    With 50% bioavail - I agree on trans vs. oral.

    It's the conversion to the active that really drags down 1,4. Only 15% ain't good.
    theres not much that can be done to increase that 15% is there??
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    awesome thread. lets keep it up and going
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    side effects---Although commonly compared to nandrolone, boldenone lacks progesterone receptor interaction and all the associated progestinic side effects. Boldenone can, however, produce mild androgenic side effects. Oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are all possible with this compound but rare. Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen dihydroboldenone via the 5alpha-reductase enzyme (analogous to the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent. Suppression of the HPTA, water retention, possible increase in acne and possible conversion to estrogen, high blood pressure are all side effects associated with Boldenone. Boldenone is also known to cause anxiety and flu like symptoms which manifest themselves most acutely in short ester versions like: acetate, and propionate (almost unusable), but which are also present in the enanthate, cypionate, and undecyclenate forms.
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    isn't dihydroboldenone the same as 1-ad??
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    Ripped this from another board....


    Milligrams below are the estimated amount of active hormone per 100mg of hormone and ester.

    Boldenone base: 100mg
    Boldenone acetate: 83mg
    Boldenone Propionate: 80mg
    Boldenone Cypionate: 69mg
    Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    isn't dihydroboldenone the same as 1-ad??
    Big Cat has said the dihydroboldenone would have been a better name for 1T than 1T.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    quoted from Rodja-"With ~45% absorption and then ~15% conversion, you would need about 1.5g/day for 700mg of boldenone/week."
    The 15% is really a high end estimate. Most people will probably be closer to 10-12%. I posted quite extensively in the 1,4AD thread in the NP forum...so I'll cut and paste some of the info here:

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    So in this case, we're talking about roughly 1/2 of the consumed 1,4 actually making it into circulation. Taking it with a fatty meal should improve this to some degree. So that means...

    1000mg of 1,4 consumed = roughly 450mg absorbed. The estimated conversion is in the ballpark of 10-12%. Out of the 450mg making it into circulation, we get about 45-54mg actual boldenone. This equates to around 315-378mg boldenone/week.

    So yeah, for most to get good results they're going to need 1g + per day most likely. This is why 1,4 AD never really had the popularity that many of the other PH's of that era did. It was generally underdosed (100mg/cap) and very costly to run at adequate dosages.
    EQ is boldeneone UNDECLYNATE, 1,4AD will convert to only boldenone. When determining your dosage scheme, take this into account:

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Remember, if you're dosing it based on past EQ experience then you have to take the undeclynate ester into account to determine actual amount of active hormone. The undec ester takes up approximately 40% of the weight of the EQ leaving only 60% active hormone.

    So, 400mg/week EQ is really going to be around 240mg/week of active boldenone. This is why many run EQ at a minimum of 600mg/week.
    The conversion rate (10-15%) is determined by amount and saturation of the 17HSD enzyme:

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Not necessarily, there's a point of diminishing returns with any hormone. You can only grow so big so fast...and higher doses mean higher chances of nasty sides. Also, as with any PH the amount of conversion depends on available enzyme. When then enzyme is saturated (in this case 17-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase or 17HSD) then there will be no more conversion of 1,4AD to boldenone. Again, here we run into a point of diminishing returns...where even though you're taking more of the drug it will not have androgenic activity.

    How much 1,4AD can our 17-HSD handle? I honestly don't know. I'm gussing that in the 2g range we'd still be okay. Venturing too far beyond this however may be pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Big Cat has said the dihydroboldenone would have been a better name for 1T than 1T.
    dihydroboldenone = 1-testosterone (the 5-alpha-reduced version of boldenone)
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    The activity of boldenone is mainly anabolic, with a low androgenic potency. It has a very long half-life, and can show up on a steroid test for up to 5 months.[2]

    Boldenone will increase nitrogen retention, protein synthesis, increases appetite and stimulates the release of erythropoietin in the kidneys. The drug is commonly used in doping within bodybuilding, even though this use is illegal. If intended to assist in bodybuilding, the drug is taken as part of a steroid stack of other anabolic steroids, usually with a potent androgen like testosterone as the 'base' of the stack.

    Boldenone is often used by bodybuilders in both off-season and pre-contest. Because it has similar properties to methandienone, it is a favorite for adding strength and size. Another reason Boldenone is so popular for bulking is because it increases your appetite; this is also a reason many athletes will stay away from it pre-contest. Boldenone is well known for increasing vascularity while preparing for a bodybuilding contest.

    Common bodybuilding doses range between 200 mg to 400 mg/week but could be as high as 800 mg/week.

    Boldenone has a low rate of aromatization (about 50% of Testosterone), which means it does not convert to estrogen easily and does not cause very much water retention. Many Bodybuilders will find that it is a good replacement drug for Nandrolone.

    Boldenone is among the substances banned by Major League Baseball, as well as most other major athletic organizations.

    It is easily detectable in blood tests due to its long metabolic half-life. Trace amounts of the drug can easily be detected for months after discontinued use.
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    great thread trip, u're really thorough on this one
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    im psyced that it's coming out..i wanted to add boldenone to my next test cycle and this is perfect.....this way all the info will be here so whoever uses it will do so educated about the product.....unlike many designer steroids today that we know very little about...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gixxer82 View Post
    Amen

    I'll definitely use this stuff next time.
    dsade said roughly 1.50 a gram.......so it's not gonna be that bad price wise.........not like that 1,4ad bold crap that was way overpriced and under dosed.......
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    For something that is generally injected into cows, horses and dogs boldenone is quite a popular and well-liked drug by most bodybuilders because of its unique make-up. It possesses several characteristics that aren't found in any other substance and its use is so varied its much desired year-round. Boldenone is a decent anabolic coupled with both a mild androgenic and a mild estrogenic effect. Sort of like a weak testosterone. In structure it doesn't differ all that much from testosterone, the main anomaly being a double bond in the one position as well as the 4 position. Its nonetheless quite good at promoting gains, but mostly through a combination of androgenic potential and other media than the androgen and estrogen receptors.

    The strange thing about its androgenic component is that it is mostly not mediated by a 5-alpha-reduced form, as is the case for most steroids. While it does indeed form a very potent 5AR form (dihydroboldenone or 1-test...thanks rodja) is roughly 7 times as anabolic as testosterone) its shows a very low affinity for the 5-alpha-reducatase enzyme2. This leads to the conclusion that a large part of the anabolic effect boldenone exerts is formed by the hormone itself binding to the androgen receptor. This could also be the reason its had such a successful run as a veterinary drug, because despite differences in the metabolism of species it has always produced extraordinary results.
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    Like most anabolic steroids it increases muscle mass over time by increasing nitrogen retention and positively influencing protein synthesis or re-synthesis. An action that is not necessarily supported by an androgenic mediator as was shown with nandrolone. What boldenone has that other steroids don't is that it indirectly supplies the necessary means for that protein synthesis because it drastically increases the appetite. Thereby facilitating the high nutritional intake (especially protein wise) needed to book the best results when using anabolic androgenic steroids. Its more of a benefit than you think as a lot of people have theorized that it is this increase that is responsible for the great results booked when using boldenone. This theory may hold its own as there is indeed not much proof of the kind of anabolic activity with boldenone that would be responsible for the elicited effect.

    Its estrogenic activities are slight, but present. This has more of a positive than negative influence. The aromatisation of boldenone is too small to cause real problems and in normal doses (300-400 mg/week) problems such as gynocomastia and too much fat retention are unheard of. However small aromatisation is desirable as estrogen too mediates anabolic activity. It can be responsible for better glucose utilization3,4 (repleting lost glycogen stores after exercise) and stimulating increased growth hormone release5. But most notably estrogen is responsible for an upgrading of the androgen receptor6 allowing hormones that act on the androgen receptor to exert a larger anabolic effect. This is why hormones that are strong androgens but also aromatize heavily, like anadrol and testosterone, can put the most mass on your frame. In that aspect boldenone is perhaps the most suitable steroid because of its moderate estrogen levels that allow for the benefits, but not the side-effects of aromatization. And no doubt the perfect balance is partially responsible for stimulation of the appetite.
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    boldenone combined with a non-aromatizing steroid like Winstrol or Primobolan may be perfect to help you get cut and ripped while improving vascularity. The downside to that is that you really need to try hard to suppress the increased appetite. Which is why its probably a better idea to stack a somewhat larger dose of boldenone with a mass building drug like testosterone or anadrol to elicit major gains.

    The negative effects of boldenone are quite limited. In the normal doses of 300-400 mg a week estrogenic side-effects are almost never noted except in those who are very succeptible to estrogen. In terms of androgenic side-effects long-term use or very intense use of boldenone can cause slight virilizing effects such as acne and increased body-hair growth. Never really a problem for men, but women considering its use on account of its moderate androgenic qualities should be aware of this.
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    Equipoise (Boldenone Undeclynate) was created as an attempt to produce an injectable version of Dianabol. To do this, scientists simply added an ester (the very slow releasing Undeclynate ester) to the same steran nucleus they created out of testosterone to create Dianabol. This means they simply added a double bond between carbon atoms 1 and 2, and in this case, estrified it. This 1-2 double bond dramatically slows the rate of conversion to estrogen.

    So what does this mean to us, in the real world? For starters, Eq, because of that simple modification is only going to convert to estrogen (aromatize) at about half the rate of Testosterone. (1) Although it rates as highly as Testosterone in terms of anabolic effects, but it’s only half as androgenic. However, in the real world, not too many users report the kind of weight gain on Eq as they do with testosterone, although strength gains seem to be very similar. This is probably why Eq has a well deserved reputation as a hardening agent, and a good cutting drug, but not really as a bulking drug. When it’s used in a bulking cycle, it’s primarily used to aid in appetite stimulation, which is a property of this drug that has been experienced by many athletes
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    Here is my summation from my own experience:

    It was good for increased vascularity as it certainly increases RBC. But aside form that not much. I recommend that it be run at very high doses and stacked with a good amount of Test as a base to see considerable results. Otherwise alone it is a rather week anabolic with little to no androgenic properties.

    It was decent but not groundbreaking. Unless you are a virgin or a lightweight don't get your expectations too high.

    Don't get me wrong I am capping 250 - 400mg caps as we speak but I am only doing so because I have it and I need to use it up. It won't be run solo.

    I'm not looking to rain on any parades. It is legal. It is oral. It is relatively cheap. But aside from that, it may not meet the hype that has been perpetuated.

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    i am adding it to my sustanon/superdrol(still planning) cycle coming up....def not a solo run...i'm not expecting anadrol gains from 1,4-ad...im just excited a new legit product is coming out that i can def add to my cycle ...i'm only interested in low androgenic steroids anyway....with the use of finasteride/dutasteride
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    Reported Characteristics

    Boldenone
    1,4-androstadiene-3-one-17b-ol
    Cutting/Bulking:Both
    Anabolic Rating: 100
    Active-Life: 7-9 days
    Drug Class: Anabolic /Androgenic steroid
    Average Reported Dosage: Men 300-600mg weekly Women 50-100mg weekly
    Acne: Rare
    Water Retention: Low
    High Blood Pressure: Rare
    Aromatization: About 50% of testosterone
    Liver Toxic: No
    DHT Conversion: No (*converts to DHB)
    Decreases HPTA function: Yes

    with a anabolic rating of 100....this basicly makes it equal to test,with half the androgenic profile....
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    Good read kid
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    I took EQ at 600mg ew (do the math for the bold conversion) actually i will. 600mg EQ= 366mg of bold base. In my estimate based on suggested conversion rates of 14add you would have to take 1000mg of 14add to get the same amount of 600mg ew EQ????? Wait, that would be in one day! Im not sure im following the conversion here. If someone took 1gram of 14add ed that would convert to roughly how much in that day? multiply by 7 and you get the weekly boldenone dose after conversion.

    The only good things i see in using 14add is the fact that it is legal (obvious) and that the kick in time is less than running EQ (considerin you have access to it). Those are good things, plus you wouldnt need to inject.

    I LOOOVED the vascularity from EQ, even on a bulk i had mad veins. I dont think i noticed hunger increase as i already was eating like a horse, Im not sure that is true or just like a placebo people think they get from it because they read it. I would like to know how exactly it would cause appetite increase for me to believe it.
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    sweet..if i get anymore veins sticking out,people are gonna think i got some strange disease of something..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    sweet..if i get anymore veins sticking out,people are gonna think i got some strange disease of something..lol
    the veins were really sick, in a good way. Its the #1 reason i would use boldenone again. Its either love or hate with this, ask Chad what he thinks about it. Oh, the veins were superrrrr crazy this one day when i was doing box deads OMG! my friends were looking at me like, damn, he's on roids lol.
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    Keep in mind that those veins are caused by an increase in RBC and there is a possibility that hematocrit values will rise as well. That is cause for concern as an increase in hematocrit is thickening of your blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    Keep in mind that those veins are caused by an increase in RBC and there is a possibility that hematocrit values will rise as well. That is cause for concern as an increase in hematocrit is thickening of your blood.
    well when does it actually get bad? symptoms? I heard aspirin is good for that. I actually was thinking my levels were getting too high, i was getting very painful forearm pumps on that cycle.
  

  
 

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