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  1. TripDogs official Boldenone / 1,4-ad thread


    With the upcoming release of 1,4-ad powder this thread is dedicated to the effects of boldenone...lets post as much as we can about boldenone..conversions of 1,4-ad,doses,side effects,anabolic effects,personal experience,aa ratio,stack options,and anything we can to prep ourselves....I plan on using at least a gram a day with my next test cycle........lets begin..............
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2


  2. Active Life: 14-16 days
    Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (for injection)
    Average Dose: Men 400-600 mg/week......women 50-150 mg/week
    Acne: Rare
    Water Retention: Low
    High Blood Pressure: Rare
    Liver Toxic: No
    Aromatization: Some, about 50% less than testosterone
    DHT Conversion: Low
    Decrease HPTA function: Moderate


    Equipoise® is the popular brand name for the veterinary injectable steroid boldenone undecylenate. It is a derivative of testosterone, which exhibits strong anabolic and moderately androgenic properties. The undecylenate ester greatly extends the activity of the drug (the undecylenate ester is only one carbon atom longer than decanoate), so that clinically injections would need to be repeated every three or four weeks. In the veterinary feild Equipoise is most commonly used on horses, exhibiting a pronounced effect on lean bodyweight, appetite and general disposition of the animal. As with all steroids, this compound shows a marked ability for increasing red blood cell production. In recent years this compound has become a favorite among athletes. Many consider it an ideal replacement to Deca-Durabolin.

    The side effects of Equipoise are generally mild. The structure of boldenone does allow it to convert into estrogen, but it does not have an extremely high affinity to do so. If we look at aromatization studies, they suggest that its rate of estrogen conversion should be about half that of testosterone's. Water retention with this drug would therefore be slightly higher than that with Deca-Durabolin (with an estimated 20% conversion), but much less than we would find with a stronger compound as Testosterone. While there is still a chance of encountering an estrogen related side effect as such when using Equipoise, problems are usually not encountered at a moderate dosage level. Gynecomastia might become a problem, but usually only with very sensitive individuals or (again) with those using higher dosages. If estrogenic effects become a problem, the addition of Nolvadex should of course make the cycle more tolerable. An anti-aromatase such as Arimidex, Femara, or Amonasin would be a stronger option, however probably not necessary with such a mild drug.

    Although typically dosage related, Equipoise can also produce distinct androgenic side effects. Oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are all possible with this compound. Women find this drug quite comfortable, virilization symptoms usually unheard of when taken at low doses. Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen (dihydroboldenone) via the 5alpha reductase enzyme (which produces DHT from testosterone), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent. Therefore the reductase inhibitor Proscar would not be of much use with Equipoise,as it would be blocking what is at best an insignificant path of metabolism for the steroid. Although this drug is relatively mild, it still has a depressive effect on endogenous testosterone levels, therefore a proper post cycle therapy HCG and Clomid/Nolvadex is needed at the conclusion of each cycle to avoid a "crash". A waiting time of around 3 weeks is required before starting post cycle therapy, enabling enough of the drug to clear one's system to make post cycle therapy effective.

    In order to maintain stable blood levels, Equipoise should be injected at least once per week. It is most commonly used at a dosage of 400-600mg per week for men, 50-150 mg per week for women.

    Equipoise is not a rapid mass builder, but will provide a slow but steady gain of strength and quality muscle mass. The most positive effects of this drug are seen when it is used for longer cycles, usually lasting at least 10 weeks in length. The muscle gained should not be the smooth bulk seen with androgens, but instead a very defined and solid look. Since water bloat is not contributing greatly to the diameter of the muscle, much of the size gained on a cycle of Equipoise can be retained after the drug has been discontinued. It is interesting to note that structurally Equipoise and the classic bulking drug Dianabol are almost identical. In the case of Equipoise the compound uses a l7beta ester (undecylenate), while Dianabol is 17 alpha alkylated. Aside from that difference, the drugs are basically the same. Of course they act quite differently in the body, which goes to show the 17-methylation effects more than just the oral efficancy of a steroid.

    As discussed earlier, Equipoise is a very versatile compound. We can create a number of drug combinations with it depending on the desired result. For mass, one may want to stack it with Anadrol or an injectable testosterone. The result should be an incredible gain of muscle size and strength, without the same intensity of side effects if using the androgen (at a higher dose) alone. When used in a cutting cycle, muscle hardness and density can be greatly improved when combining Equipoise with a non-aromatizable steroid such as trenbolone acetate, Halotestin, or Winstrol. For some however, even the low buildup of estrogen associated with this compound is enough to relegate its use to bulking cycles only.

    Equipoise is not an ideal steroid for the drug tested athlete however. This drug has the tendency to produce detectable metabolites in the urine months after use, a worry most commonly associated with Deca-Durabolin. This is of course due to the high oil solubility of long chain esterified injectable steroids, a property which enables the drug to remain deposited in fatty tissues for extended periods of time. While this will reliably slow the release of steroid into the blood stream, it also allows small residual amounts to remain present in the body far after the initial injection. The release of stubborn stores of hormone would no doubt also be enhanced around contest time, a period when the athlete drastically attempts to mobilize unwanted body fat. If enough were used in the off-season, the athlete may actually fail a drug screen for boldenone although many months may have past since the drug was last injected.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2
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  3. quoted from Rodja-"With ~45% absorption and then ~15% conversion, you would need about 1.5g/day for 700mg of boldenone/week."...(this is for the bulk powder)
    Last edited by TripDog; 08-16-2007 at 12:27 AM. Reason: clearify
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  4. Good stuff Trip. Subscribed.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    With the upcoming release of 1,4-ad powder this thread is dedicated to the effects of boldenone...lets post as much as we can about boldenone..conversions of 1,4-ad,doses,side effects,anabolic effects,personal experience,aa ratio,stack options,and anything we can to prep ourselves....I plan on using at least a gram a day with my next test cycle........lets begin..............
    WTF did I miss? Upcoming release....hasnt 1,4ad powder been available for a while now?

    Nice post though....better than a holla back girl video.
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  6. bumps

  7. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    quoted from Rodja-"With ~45% absorption and then ~15% conversion, you would need about 1.5g/day for 700mg of boldenone/week."
    Then explain how people see gains with 500mg a week? Over a 16 week period of course...

  8. I wonder if Trisorbagen would help with better absorption.

  9. Probably would Red.
    Or grapefruit juice.

  10. apparantly oral is the best way to take the powder...i was thinking a transdermal would be more effective...according to dsade sence the boioavalability is so high there would really be no need for a dermal......just throwin that out there
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  11. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    apparantly oral is the best way to take the powder...i was thinking a transdermal would be more effective...according to dsade sence the boioavalability is so high there would really be no need for a dermal......just throwin that out there
    Especially if you throw in some trisorbagen or grapefruit.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Especially if you throw in some trisorbagen or grapefruit.
    im not very fimiliar with Trisorbagen,what exactly is it??
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  13. by Bill Roberts - Boldenone appears to be comparable to nandrolone in its potency. It lacks nandrolone’s advantage of being metabolically deactivated by 5a -reductase. It is only slightly estrogenic, and only after conversion to estrogen. I cannot at the moment comment on whether the effect it does produce is owed to strong binding at the AR or to effectiveness in promoting non-AR-mediated mechanisms for growth. I wouldn’t expect much results with less than 400 mg/week. With that dose I would expect to see some noticeable but not dramatic results by the third week. Below 200 mg/week I would expect to see essentially nothing.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    im not very fimiliar with Trisorbagen,what exactly is it??
    It is a supplement designed to help not only with bioavailability of PH/PS, but pretty much all supplements. There is an FAQ over at the AX subforum.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  15. With 50% bioavail - I agree on trans vs. oral.

    It's the conversion to the active that really drags down 1,4. Only 15% ain't good.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jmh80 View Post
    With 50% bioavail - I agree on trans vs. oral.

    It's the conversion to the active that really drags down 1,4. Only 15% ain't good.
    theres not much that can be done to increase that 15% is there??
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  17. awesome thread. lets keep it up and going

  18. side effects---Although commonly compared to nandrolone, boldenone lacks progesterone receptor interaction and all the associated progestinic side effects. Boldenone can, however, produce mild androgenic side effects. Oily skin, acne, increased aggression and hair loss are all possible with this compound but rare. Boldenone does reduce to a more potent androgen dihydroboldenone via the 5alpha-reductase enzyme (analogous to the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), however its affinity for this interaction in the human body is low to nonexistent. Suppression of the HPTA, water retention, possible increase in acne and possible conversion to estrogen, high blood pressure are all side effects associated with Boldenone. Boldenone is also known to cause anxiety and flu like symptoms which manifest themselves most acutely in short ester versions like: acetate, and propionate (almost unusable), but which are also present in the enanthate, cypionate, and undecyclenate forms.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  19. isn't dihydroboldenone the same as 1-ad??
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  20. Ripped this from another board....


    Milligrams below are the estimated amount of active hormone per 100mg of hormone and ester.

    Boldenone base: 100mg
    Boldenone acetate: 83mg
    Boldenone Propionate: 80mg
    Boldenone Cypionate: 69mg
    Boldenone Undecylenate: 61mg

  21. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    isn't dihydroboldenone the same as 1-ad??
    Big Cat has said the dihydroboldenone would have been a better name for 1T than 1T.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  22. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    quoted from Rodja-"With ~45% absorption and then ~15% conversion, you would need about 1.5g/day for 700mg of boldenone/week."
    The 15% is really a high end estimate. Most people will probably be closer to 10-12%. I posted quite extensively in the 1,4AD thread in the NP forum...so I'll cut and paste some of the info here:

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    So in this case, we're talking about roughly 1/2 of the consumed 1,4 actually making it into circulation. Taking it with a fatty meal should improve this to some degree. So that means...

    1000mg of 1,4 consumed = roughly 450mg absorbed. The estimated conversion is in the ballpark of 10-12%. Out of the 450mg making it into circulation, we get about 45-54mg actual boldenone. This equates to around 315-378mg boldenone/week.

    So yeah, for most to get good results they're going to need 1g + per day most likely. This is why 1,4 AD never really had the popularity that many of the other PH's of that era did. It was generally underdosed (100mg/cap) and very costly to run at adequate dosages.
    EQ is boldeneone UNDECLYNATE, 1,4AD will convert to only boldenone. When determining your dosage scheme, take this into account:

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Remember, if you're dosing it based on past EQ experience then you have to take the undeclynate ester into account to determine actual amount of active hormone. The undec ester takes up approximately 40% of the weight of the EQ leaving only 60% active hormone.

    So, 400mg/week EQ is really going to be around 240mg/week of active boldenone. This is why many run EQ at a minimum of 600mg/week.
    The conversion rate (10-15%) is determined by amount and saturation of the 17HSD enzyme:

    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Not necessarily, there's a point of diminishing returns with any hormone. You can only grow so big so fast...and higher doses mean higher chances of nasty sides. Also, as with any PH the amount of conversion depends on available enzyme. When then enzyme is saturated (in this case 17-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase or 17HSD) then there will be no more conversion of 1,4AD to boldenone. Again, here we run into a point of diminishing returns...where even though you're taking more of the drug it will not have androgenic activity.

    How much 1,4AD can our 17-HSD handle? I honestly don't know. I'm gussing that in the 2g range we'd still be okay. Venturing too far beyond this however may be pointless.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Big Cat has said the dihydroboldenone would have been a better name for 1T than 1T.
    dihydroboldenone = 1-testosterone (the 5-alpha-reduced version of boldenone)

  24. The activity of boldenone is mainly anabolic, with a low androgenic potency. It has a very long half-life, and can show up on a steroid test for up to 5 months.[2]

    Boldenone will increase nitrogen retention, protein synthesis, increases appetite and stimulates the release of erythropoietin in the kidneys. The drug is commonly used in doping within bodybuilding, even though this use is illegal. If intended to assist in bodybuilding, the drug is taken as part of a steroid stack of other anabolic steroids, usually with a potent androgen like testosterone as the 'base' of the stack.

    Boldenone is often used by bodybuilders in both off-season and pre-contest. Because it has similar properties to methandienone, it is a favorite for adding strength and size. Another reason Boldenone is so popular for bulking is because it increases your appetite; this is also a reason many athletes will stay away from it pre-contest. Boldenone is well known for increasing vascularity while preparing for a bodybuilding contest.

    Common bodybuilding doses range between 200 mg to 400 mg/week but could be as high as 800 mg/week.

    Boldenone has a low rate of aromatization (about 50% of Testosterone), which means it does not convert to estrogen easily and does not cause very much water retention. Many Bodybuilders will find that it is a good replacement drug for Nandrolone.

    Boldenone is among the substances banned by Major League Baseball, as well as most other major athletic organizations.

    It is easily detectable in blood tests due to its long metabolic half-life. Trace amounts of the drug can easily be detected for months after discontinued use.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  25. great thread trip, u're really thorough on this one
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