Substances banned in the Military
08-04-2007 11:57 AM
08-04-2007 11:59 AM
...you may have to safe the image and "zoom-in" in order to see it. It came out kinda small.
08-04-2007 12:02 PM
so just for arugements sake
taking 1,4ad bold which converts to boldeone something. technically shows up red flag. or traces would be soo low it wouldnt matter?
08-04-2007 12:12 PM
I'm not sure. I think you'd have a good argument though....say they DO test you for steroids (which is NEVER standard in a piss test) and you DO come up 'hot' for boldeone, I would show my command the bottle along with this list. It'll show that you did not intentionally take any banned substance.
Originally Posted by nycste
08-04-2007 12:23 PM
But then again....if it were ME, I'd find a supplement that converts into something safe. Better safe than sorry.
08-05-2007 06:01 AM
You're not going to be tested for steroids in the military unless you've been busted for them already but there's a difference between the banned substances(federal) and the above document which seems to be a unit/post regulation based off of the already controlled substances.
08-05-2007 12:32 PM
Definitely appears to be a unit level guide line. I'm rather surprised they were able to get such a comprehensive list. Someone must be pretty familiar with these substances. I find it kind of odd that they are trying to imply that epistane is covered under the 2004 steroid control act, which is patently false. This inconsistency should make this guideline suspect in its authority.
I can't see how you could get punished for using an over the counter product off the shelf that isn't even a controlled substance.
One word "bluff", they hope they can scare people into complying with something they have no way to enforce.
08-05-2007 12:46 PM
I don't see Epistane on the list...in fact I posted a question about Epistane (RE urinalysis) under the IBE forums and DR. D is pretty emphatic that it's undetectable. Check out his response:
Originally Posted by fatsuperman
08-05-2007 12:49 PM
sorry misread your post
I didn't see it either, but figured I was missing something
08-05-2007 02:34 PM
i've had dozens of piss/blood test for the goverment and there was only one time that a "red" flag came about - luckily the steriod that i was taking was prescribed BY the goverment - other than that, they never run test on this things unless they're trying to make a point, or satisfy paperwork to archive
only time that the goverment went all out testing for any "controlled" substance is when i had a MMA fight in Hawaii -
08-05-2007 05:30 PM
Yea,,,, Just to add something here......... I am in the military, and i am also a person that does the piss testing for the unit... the panels they test for dont include steroids, yea the command might try to scare you and say yes, but in all reallity, i have seen way to many juiced buddies and buddies on things from andro, to superdrol, to etc etc etc..... dont sweat it.... ESPECIALLLY if you are deployed 8/10 service members that do take supps are on some sort of test booster or straight up designer steroid... TRUST ME...... this is my 4th deployment and you litteraly see people in the gym that dont even try to down play how damn big they are getting
09-05-2007 05:06 PM
Since we are on substances banned, what about some of the SERM's like Fareston (Torem). Can these show up on your basic military drug test?
09-05-2007 05:10 PM
Unless they do a full panel, no
They NEVER do a full panel unless your PCP DR gives the order - which is rare
Originally Posted by HARDHITTER00
09-07-2007 03:17 PM
I in the military AND on TRT and have never had issues. I have taken a p*** test on just about every designer out there and I have been fine.
09-07-2007 04:21 PM
at first i was nervous when i was taking phera plex, got a piss test and did nolva for post cycle therapy, then i realized how rare and how difficult it is to be tested for aas. theres a pretty big paper trail. so unless you blow up 30lbs in a month, you prolly aint gonna get tested. and truthfully the people on my base really could care less as long as you arent causing problems.
09-08-2007 07:16 AM
my lifting partner has 18 years in the service... 6 ft even and weighs 255. a strong competitor. even though his nickname is roid he has never been tested in that 18 years.... really unless you f up somehow its not an issue
09-13-2007 05:06 PM
Little help here
Ok, so I cant really understand all these names
Can someone tell me if
Sostonal 250 by IDS
Bulk Tabs by IDS
or Mehtandrol 50 by webber are in anyway on this list?
Thanks in advance for the help.
09-13-2007 05:09 PM
also if they are banned which compoiunds?
and how long would it take before this stuff is out of my system?
What about 6 Oxo PCT?
09-13-2007 05:18 PM
Do a google search for that substance and it will tell you what is in it. Compare that to this list....most likely it does not have anything banned.
Originally Posted by manofwar1981
But you REALLY want to do some more reasearch before you start taking these things...especially if you're considering a 6 OXO only PCT.
09-13-2007 06:35 PM
I did the search,
The problem is I dont understand the compounds. B is beta I guess?
Methandrol has somehting in it that looks similar to one on that list, but I dont know if thats a match or if it has to be exact, so what I was hoping for is someone to look at the list and the compounds and just say yes or no? Someone smarter then me I guess.
And the PCT isnt only 6 Oxo, Im just looking over things people are taking and wondering whats really ok and not ok.
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