All You Need To Know About Fina!
12-04-2002 01:22 AM
All You Need To Know About Fina!
Here is an article that i found on another site...thought you guys might like it!
<SPAN id=postcolor>As you can tell by reading the boards every day, Fina is obviously one of the most popular "supplements" in the bodybuilding community today, and for all the right reasons.
I am writing this post due to the obscene amount of private messages I have recieved recently and the even larger number of posts on the subject of Fina. I am sure many of you have read Huck's AWESOME thread entitled "The Power Of Trenbolone." That thread was very scientific to say the least, so I am taking it upon myself to write out a condensed version of that thread in lamens terms. I will attempt to cover every aspect that has been talked about recently...if I miss something than people like Huck, Fonz, Zyg, and (even though I despise him greatly) TxShortPenis to chime in, along with anyone else who has questions or other various points. Here goes....
Fina is considered by many, including myself obviously, to be
The Gear of the Gods. Those who have not had the pleasure of experiencing the joy that is fina seem to be in the minority these days. Fina is cheap, safe, and extremely effective.
What is it?
Fina (whos scientific name is Trenbolone ) is a derivative of the chemical nandrolone. Tren does not convert to estrogen, so supplementing with anastrozole, lestrozole, or any of those popular compounds will do no good combatting the gyno that may be caused by using Tren, but we will get to that later.
To quote Huck, " [Tren] is the strongest androgen receptor binder on the planet. " This in itself is amazing considering it is a derivative of a compound that is far less androgenic. If you read Huck's post (now in the Best of Elite Fitness forum) you will see a scientific study that shows how Tren is three times as anabolic as testosterone, while being doubly as anabolic.
Tren is commonly used in cattle. Farmers inject Tren into their cows in the months leading up to their slaughter to rapidly increase lean weight gain, which makes for some yummy steaks.
Where can I get it?
Capitalizing on the fina frenzy, sources began producing their own home-made trenbolone and put them on the market. Ttokkyo was the first actual company to produce trenbolone for human use. Needless to say, the prices were and still can be outrageous.
What are we to do then? Well make your own you lazy bastard! Fina pellets can be purchased legally from any vet store. Look for either their Finaplix-H or Component T-H, which IS fina, just more of it. These are usually priced at around $50 and $75, respectively.
Unless you have the brain capacity of llama (Mustang_18   you will immediately realize that using an implant gun to shoot these fina pellets into your body is a painful and unneccesary experience. There are in fact a few safer and less excrutiating method to experience the power that is fina:
Orally: It seems that some have attempted to place the fina pellets under their toungue until dissolved. Aside from being about as tasty as TxShortpenis' loose anus, this method will yield minimal results, if any at all.
DMSO Method: Basically, this consists of crushing up the pellets and adding them to a topical delivery system. You then rub the composite onto your body in various places (behind the knees, for example). This will yield better results than the previous method, however the results may not be spectacular, and you will smell like trenbolone 24/7, which will not make you that popular with the ladies.
Injections: In my opinion, and the opinion of many others, this is the ONLY way to use fina. I know you are probably asking, "Hey Almighty you ignorant piece of ****! How the **** would you go about injecting something in pellet form?" Listen here, ****heads, you can purchase a kit to make the transformation from pellet form to liquid form.
The main concern when this method is brought up is,
"Hey, Almighty. Im no chemist you insensitive prick. What am I to do?" First of all, you got a real bad attitude son. Second, I am the farthest thing from a chemist. Making fina is easier than baking a cake, and no I am not joking. All kits come with step-by-step instructions on how to convert your fina. The entire process can take anywhere between 2 hours to 12 hours. The majority of this time is waiting for the pellets to dissolve in the oil that is supplied via the kit that you purchase. If you want to look at a great site that has pictures of this process, simply go to target=_blank>http://www.elitefitness.com/members/finaplix/
The kits give out a 75mg/ml concentration of the golden goodness. Of course, you can alter this by changing the amount of solution you use, but 75mg is typically the standard dose.
One more small thing...for best results, due to its short half-life, fina must be injected at least every other day (EOD). For OPTIMAL results, every day (ED) injections are encouraged. This is what intimidates many of those who are interested in using fina. Take it from me and the countless numbers of those who have used fina...the ED/EOD injections are not a problem at all. You get used to them in a short amount of time, and do not want to stop doing them once you see the phenominal results. I know that your asses are probably getting sore thinking about all of those injections, but fear not. Fina is great for site injections. I inject into my bis, tris, delts, and pecs with no fuss, no muss.
How should I use Fina?
As I stated above, the standard dose of fina is usually 75mg. While in 95% of people this dose results in little sides and great results, many people opt for 37.5mg (1/2 ml) every day.
Fina kicks in very rapidly (many notice results within the first week) so the standard 10 week cycle is not necessary. Fina is a great addition to a 10-12 week cycle consisting of test, eq, primo, etc. I advise adding fina at the end of the cycle, the last 5-6 weeks perhaps. Be sure to extend the fina past the rest of the cycle if you are using compounds that take longer to clear your system (e.g. sustanon/omnadren, eq, deca). This way, you can start your post-cycle therapy directly following your last dose of fina.
If all else fails, a 6 week fina cycle never lets anyone down. Combine fina with other fast acting compounds such as test prop or winny and you have yourself one helluva cycle with a minimum cost. Using myself as an example, in 6 weeks of using fina @ 75mg/ed and winny @ 50mg/ed I gained 22 pounds and lost 2% bodyfat. Not bad for 6 weeks, huh?
Should I use Fina to Bulk or Cut?
Due to the fact that God himself was on fina when he created the world in 7 days, fina is great for either. Fina is extremely anti-catabolic which makes it the drug of choice for cutting. People report an actual increase in weight while their bodyfat drops. Fina is renound for its ability to transform your physique.
For bulking, well just add some test, dbol, or any of your other favorite bulking supplements and watch the weight and strength pile on while experiencing little or no increase in bodyfat.
Is Fina Dangerous?
In my opinion, the horror stories you hear about fina are extremely overdone. Fonz ran fina for more than 20 weeks....20 ****ing weeks and reported no problems whatsoever. All you have to do is to do your homework, take the necessary precautions for the liver and kidneys (ALA and 2 gallons of water every day, respectively) and chances are you will be good to go, as long as the dose is reasonable.
By the way, the sides of fina are pretty much the same as all other steroids, such as acne, hair loss, etc. Fina does seem to cause an increase in aggression in some people. Of course, as long as you have at least a minimal amount of will power, this aggression can be contained and expelled only in the gym during a greuling workout.
Now, what about gyno? Ask anyone around and you will see that, although it can happen, gyno from fina is quite rare. Arimidex, etc will not prevent gyno from fina, so if you are truely paranoid, simply supplement with 50mg of winny EOD.
If you are like me, you may get a slight case of gyno after the cycle has ended. Many seem to think that this may be prolactin induced. This gyno can, 99% of the time, be easily cured by supplementing with 1 gram of vitex (chaste berry) every day until the symptoms dissapear. In my case, it took only a few weeks.
Is fina adequate for someone doing their first cycle? Yes and no. I feel that if you have done your homework, fina will work quite well with a lack of sides as long as you are smart and keep an eye on what you are doing. Keep in mind, however, that fina is very strong and, like all other steroids, may not be for everyone. I know that the frequency of injections can deter many from using fina in their first cycle. If you can go along with it, however, I assure you that the results will be like nothing you have ever experienced before. <!--Signature-->
12-04-2002 01:28 AM
Thanks bro. Good overview and collection of info!
12-04-2002 01:32 AM
Fina IMO gives just the greatest gains that anyone could as for...its cheap, works awesome, and it doesnt bloat you the **** up!
I just love this ****. And I am happy to say that i cant wait till i start my next run with it!
12-04-2002 03:31 AM
12-04-2002 07:23 AM
This is the only statement I disagree with, I feel you should run your test PAST your fina. Just my opinion however. Originally posted by Blindfaith . I advise adding fina at the end of the cycle, the last 5-6 weeks perhaps. Be sure to extend the fina past the rest of the cycle if you are using compounds that take longer to clear your system (e.g. sustanon/omnadren, eq, deca). This way, you can start your post-cycle therapy directly following your last dose of fina.
12-04-2002 06:29 PM
Avant's #1 Stunna'
12-04-2002 09:16 PM
12-04-2002 10:21 PM
Re: Re: All You Need To Know About Fina!
why shud this be done? any particular reason bro , cos i dontsee any reason for this ... Originally posted by wardog
This is the only statement I disagree with, I feel you should run your test PAST your fina. Just my opinion however.
12-05-2002 06:43 AM
Because fina shuts you down hard especially sexualy, I belive running your test longer gives you a bit more fina "cleanout" time and makes it easier during recovery. I am testing my theroy right now and well let you know.
12-05-2002 01:37 PM
I think it entirely depends on the type of test you are running. If its somthing with a longer ester then you should keep running your fina in my opinion becuase your htp is still going to be gettin shut down due to the test so you might as well go all out. If your running a shorter ester, prop maybe that has a half life of like 3 days (all numbers off the top of my head) then I'd prob just end them at the same time. Never done either so keep us posted how how it works in the real world wardog. Need less to say the most important issue is post cycle recovery....
12-06-2002 04:18 AM
I'm not sure I buy into the whole theory wardog, it seems to me that once your body has shut down making test only having subphysiological levels of test will allow you to begin recovery.
12-06-2002 12:54 PM
You should def run test a few weeks after fina...its not going to help with natty test level recovery but its going to help with crashing...
01-22-2003 01:29 PM
The True Warrior is one who conquers oneself
im about to do a fina/4 ad cycle transdermally. I have about a week or 2 worth of T1pro left. I was thinking about just using that to kick off my cycle..the fina/4 ad will be a 30 day cycle...
but after reading this, you think I should use the T1pro after the 30 day fina run?
Last edited by hamper19; 01-22-2003 at 08:15 PM.
01-22-2003 08:07 PM
I will Never DO A CYCLE AGAIN W/ out fina cutting or bulking & for site enhansing iam sure everyone would like to addsize & a HELLOFVA PUMP when u train!!
01-24-2003 10:36 AM
As Written By: The Almighty
01-25-2003 02:50 PM
i was sitting here reading thru everything and then visiting some sites for info...i went thru the articles on gotfina.com and read up on the dmso method...now they use a straight dmso gel for transdermal application....here's a question or two....would our homebrew t-gel work as well? the dmso gel i found was 90%pure dmso...now a fella would have to get on the calculator to figure out a more accurate dosing/measurement than "2 or 3" pills...also, on the injection tutorial it goes thru and shows you the binders settling and then can be seperated out...i'm not a chemist, and i don't know what their magical chemical is in the kit, but is there something a guy can do to crush up the tabs and then get them to seperate from the binders...is this entirely necessary? also, i may have missed it, but does anyone have a location where i can find the injectable kit? if you 'd rather not post then pm me...
thanks for your ear, al
01-25-2003 04:05 PM
would our homebrew t-gel work as well? the dmso gel i found was 90%pure dmso
Hell NO Al! Dsmo method(where you put one tablespoon on and then put your tablets that have been ground up together with it and rub it in) is between 40 and 50 percent absorption. DO NOT BELIEVE THE PROPOGANDA HERE. THe truth is regular transdermals(without dsmo) are no better then 20-25 percent and thats the BEST formula's. This has been supported by par deus in the EARLY days and patrick arnold says (10-20 percent) he is a little conservative but i still believe he is not that far off. DSMO is very potent so if you use that method i would assume 45-50 percent absoprtion( give or take 5 to 10 percent). If you use the 50/50 (water/dsmo) concentration im not sure if the absorption rate with that is better then just using only dsmo but i know when you add the water it is messier ive read.
01-27-2003 11:56 PM
Very good post! I'm used to reading all the medical terms and such, but this time I was able to get to the point faster.. My cows are gonna be happy!
01-28-2003 12:03 AM
Hey pete i thought you were natural??
GET OUT NOW BEFORE WE INFECT YOUR MIND!
P.S on my previous post i said 45 percent absorption. Well after some more research on what par deus has said etc i believe with trenabolone acetate and the dsmo method its closer to the 25 percent ballpark range. Probably closer to 15 percent with no dsmo.
01-28-2003 12:48 AM
Dude, notice I'm a mod now? I've been a Dark Jedi for awhile... Originally posted by pjorstad Hey pete i thought you were natural??
GET OUT NOW BEFORE WE INFECT YOUR MIND!
Natural as of right now, but in the fall.....
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