All You Need To Know About Fina!

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  1. Another useful step in prepping Fina for transdermal use - you can remove the acetate molecule from the tren, making it a smaller molecule, and therefore more easily absorbed.

    Here's the original article by Chemo.
    http://www.anabolicminds.com/forum/s...saponification

    Also another of our members mentioned that it's a good idea that even if you are going the transdermal route, to dissolve the Fina pellets and filter the binders (glue) out. Simply crushing the pellets and mixing them with DMSO or another carrier will cause you to absorb the pellet binding agents as well.


  2. I really thought we had put the binders thing to bed... from what I understand, the only thing that is in them are cellulose and fina... and no glue...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    I really thought we had put the binders thing to bed... from what I understand, the only thing that is in them are cellulose and fina... and no glue...
    Hi Matthew, I must have missed that thread about the binders. If it would not be too much trouble, could you please point me to it?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    One of the guys on another board that thought he knew what he was talking about.. I think he has dropped off the boards all together after being exposed as not know what was going on
    Yesss... a baffoon from EliteFitness

  5. Quote Originally Posted by scarfacebling
    There is a great post in the stickes on the conversion board that will give you all the information to make your own matrix and clear out the binders along with making a test base you could use transdermally.Take a look over there its been covered thoroughly. I currently have a "friend" who is converting fina and man I cant wait to see the results and I am so excited. currently a friend of mine is taking fina, primo, winny and anavar and is up 20 pounds in a little over 3 weeks (over 10% of his body weight) and has many weeks ahead of him to continue.
    Too bad I didn't have a "friend" who could do it for me. I'm bad at math and I'm no kitchen chemist or otherwise.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    One of the guys on another board that thought he knew what he was talking about.. I think he has dropped off the boards all together after being exposed as not know what was going on
    This is exactly why I don't want to do it myself. I think I will screw it up because I have never done anything like it before. I'm not gonna pretend to know what I'm doing and then end up wasting money and time. I have used transdermals before but with the dermabolics and powder from 1fast, add powder to transport matrix, shake. Thats easy enough for me. I'm not gonna start this or even purchase anything before I know what the hell I'm doing and know if I can do it correctly or not.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    I really thought we had put the binders thing to bed... from what I understand, the only thing that is in them are cellulose and fina... and no glue...
    So this means that I wouldn't have to do all that crap?. All I would have to do is crush the pellets up to a flour consistancy and put it in a transdermal carrier of my choice?. It seems everyone tells me something different...

  8. Well to get the best absorbtion, you would need to get rid of the acetate ester so it becomes just base tren

  9. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone
    I've been reading there for a few days now. It doesn't say anything about filtering with the dmso or phlojel method though...

    http://www.basskilleronline.com/transdermal.htm

    And this part below is kinda hard to understand if you have never done anything like this before. I like things simple so I don't screw stuff up. For instance, what the hell is a red luer? I also have another question. I was reading a post on W.C.B.B. and there was a guy on there that said the guy from avantlabs, whats his name..?. Said that the dermabolics transport matrix will only delivery 10-15%. Now I think thats a little off, aren't most non-methylated orals at around 15%?.
    PLO AND FINA:

    If using gel to apply Fina, good results can be had with as little as 40 mgs per day when stacked with at least 250 mgs/week of testosterone. I would always stack Fina with test whenever possible. When using Fina only, the dose needs to be bumped up to 80-160 mgs per day in two or three equal applications. It should be applied to a clean, hairless part of the body. Inside of forearms and upper chest work well. The PLO gel forms sort of a depot in the skin that provides sustained release of the drug.

    There have been reports of increased photosensitivity with plo gel so you should stay out of the sun after application, or apply to an area that will be covered, such as the inside of the upper thigh.

    TUTORIAL FOR MIXING FINA WITH PLO GEL:

    The kit contains the following:
    1 – 10 ml syringe containing 5 mls of alcohol based
    1 – 60 ml syringe containing 11 mls of component
    1 – 60 ml syringe containing 34 mls of component “B?. (Place component “B? in the refrigerator until ready to use. This will cause it to
    1 – 1 ml oral
    1 – red luer
    1 – white luer

    Directions for use:

    Place 2000 mg (2 grams) of pellets in the 10 ml syringe containing the solvent as follows:
    Hold syringe so that the red tip is pointed up. Loosen the tip and pull back the plunger until it catches on the indent allowing air into the syringe. Tighten the tip. Invert the syringe so that the red tip is pointed down. Gently pull the plunger all the way out. Be careful not to spill! Add the pellets. Replace the plunger past the indent. Invert the syringe so that the red tip is pointed up again. Loosen the tip and depress the plunger to purge about half the air. Tighten the tip. This leaves room to shake contents. Let sit overnight shaking occasionally or until completely dissolved. The solution will have separated into a clear golden top layer and a yellow suspension on the bottom. Shake thoroughly. Some small solids are OK as long as they will pass through the end of the syringe. Point the tip up and remove the cap.
    Depress the plunger until all the air is purged and the solution just starts to come out. Replace the cap. Set the “A? syringe on its plunger and remove the red cap. Gently screw the red luer lock on the tip of the “A? syringe. Purge any air in the “A? syringe by gently pulling down on the syringe (not the plunger) until solution just starts to come out. Take the cap off of the 10 ml syringe and gently screw it onto the other end of the red luer lock. Gently depress the plunger on the 10 ml syringe until all of the solution has been injected into compound “A?. Remove the 10 ml syringe

    Purge the air from the “B? syringe the same way. The goal is to not let any air into the system. You are making a gel not a mousse. Gently screw the 60 ml syringe with component “B? onto the other end of the red luer lock. Depress the plunger on the “A? syringe, injecting the contents into the “B? syringe. Reverse and inject the contents of the “B? syringe into the “A? syringe. Repeat (at least 10 times) until you have a homogeneous pale yellow gel. You now have 50 mls of a 4% gel by weight.(40 mgs/ml) Remove the empty syringe.
    Remove the red luer lock from the full syringe. Attach the white luer lock to the full syringe (Be sure to use threaded end). Remove the cap from the 1 ml syringe and press it onto the other end of the white luer lock. While pressing the 60 ml syringe, pull on the 1 ml syringe, and fill the 1 ml syringe to .625 mls. Keep a loose grip on the 1 ml syringe. It has been known to pop out under pressure and decorate the ceiling with gel. Remove the 1 ml syringe and apply gel to a clean body part (delts, abs, thighs). Rub gently until gel is completely absorbed (about 1-2 minutes). Skin will be slightly tacky. This disappears in about 5 minutes. Each ml contains 40 mgs of active ingredient. .625 ml applied twice daily provides 50 mgs per day and lasts for 40 days. Adjust dosage to the individual. Do not refrigerate the gel! This will cause the two components to separate.

    *CAUTION! KEEP AWAY FROM EYES!*

    Congratulations and good luck!

    Thanks to Jim Franckum and Dale Ramsay

    Good post - Great info here, this is EXACTLY what I've been looking for!

  10. Great info. Im finally getting somewhere in my research. Hoe about fina for an endurance athlete looking for some extra strength? Does fina cause any heart related issues?

    preston25

  11. Quote Originally Posted by preston25
    Great info. Im finally getting somewhere in my research. Hoe about fina for an endurance athlete looking for some extra strength? Does fina cause any heart related issues?

    preston25
    Tren sucks for endurance.

  12. Hate to say this but - pinning it and taking it orally (crushed) produced similar results for me.

  13. I don't like how the article downplays the sides. It seems to act as if Fina is virtually side effect free.

    One thing that needs to be mentioned is different people will react differently to Fina. For me, the sides were so absoutely horrific that I doubt I'll ever touch the stuff again.

    First off, it made me irritable as heck. Every tiny little thing pissed me off on Tren. Worse than that, things that normally made me happy would instead piss me off. For example, I normally love my cats and I like when the rub against my leg or when they sit in my lap while I'm watching TV. On tren when they did that it pissed me off. It sucks being pissed off and agitated all the time. I like being happy. Being happy is underrated.

    Second night sweats and insomnia. I sweat normally at night. On tren, I was a friggin fountain of sweat. Nodding off for a mere 30 seconds would leave me drenched. Also, I couldn't stay asleep on the stuff. I'd wake up 3 or 4 times each night for no darn reason. I also had a hack of a time falling asleep in the first place. It took 2mg+ of Ketotifen to make me drowsy enough to sleep at night.

    Third, and absolutely worst of all was the acne. Since I was 14 I've had mild acne on my back. Sometimes I get flare-ups but nothing all that serious and usually just a couple whiteheads. On test, I'd get more frequent flare-ups but once again nothing all that serious, just some red splotches here and there with the occasional whitehead.

    On Tren, my acne kicked into full force and turned cystic. Not just nodular, cystic. It spread to my traps, shoulders and chest. The cysts I got were dark purple, almost black, and looked like blood blisters. They'd rupture just from my shirt rubbing against them and then scab over. It forced me to always wear an undershirt; which by the end of the day was always covered in blood just from sedentary work activity. Plus this type of acne is exceedingly painful. The scabs sting when tugged on, which happens all the time from clothing. Plus the entire affected area feels bruised. There is so much pressure from puss and blood sitting deep under the skin clogged that it causes extreme pain. No treatment I tried seemed to alleviate or lessen the symptoms. Retin-A gel seemed to work at first but it made the bleeding more intense and burned like nothing else. The sides caused by it were too much to deal with so I had to stop using it. Upon cessation of use of Retin-A the acne was back to its previous horrid cystic form with a few days.


    This is what Tren did to me. To top it off, I've been off the crap for over 2 weeks now, and the acne has gotten even worse. It refuses to go away now. My dermatologist is now looking into much more drastic measures. Already my shoulders and back are horribly scarred and the skin all over my upper back, traps, and shoudlers is extremely sensitive to the touch.


    Tren has permanently disfigured my skin. Be aware of that possibility before you start using this stuff.

  14. Null, thanks for the heads up. I cant even imagine having to deal with acne as bad as that. I've had acne since I was @ 14 as well and hate it everyday, but from the explanation that you gave, mine seems like nothing compared to the sh1t that you've experienced.

    Not saying that everyone will react this way to tren, but I think Im going to stay away from it for a little while longer.

  15. Null's right .. tren can be horrible for some people .. other's experience nothing .. i experience ZERO sides aside from the fact that my first piss of the day is dark brown (bit harsh on the kidneys ya think lol) .. but i just down tons of water throughout the day .. it leans me out fantastically and the strength gains are tremendous .. it leans me out so much though, that if i don't eat a good amount over typical maintaince i don't really gain any weight, but my measurements increase so who cares about weight

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Nullifidian
    Tren has permanently disfigured my skin. Be aware of that possibility before you start using this stuff.
    Damn, sorry to hear that.

    I think youre in the minority though.

    Havent heard about that too often.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by James
    Damn, sorry to hear that.

    I think youre in the minority though.

    Havent heard about that too often.
    Yeah, I figured my reaction is very rare, but nonetheless the fact it did happen means it CAN happen.

    Once I eventually do get this acne cleared I'm going to have to go through numerous treatements to lessen the scar tissue. Right now the spots on my back and shoulders where I don't have existing nodules, whiteheads, blackheads, cysts, or scabs, the skin is mostly purple, the coloring is uneven, and the skin is extremely tender. Basically when the acne is gone, I'm going to look a lot like a burn victim until I get either multiple laser treatements or derm abrasion. I have yet to have th conversation with my doctor though, so I don't know what path I'll have to take. I don't look forward to it. But I do look forward to finally getting rid of this ####ing acne.

    When I'm home I have to constantly worry about where I lie down or sit down because I tend to leave blood; some always manages to get through the 2 layers of clothing I always have on. Thankfully most of the throw pillows on our couch are burgandy.

    I have to wear very dark shirts over my undershirts so that any blood that gets through isn't obvious.


    Yeah, this most definitely sucks, and I'd hate to hear someone else go through it. My advice with Tren (or I guess any other AAS because afterall Tren did this to me, but perhaps some other compound might do it to someone else) is if acne starts to get bad, discontinue immediately and get your butt to the dermatologist.


    Weird thing is, I've taken DHT derivatives before, suchs as MDHT and M5AA in doses that admitedly were probably too high. They never did anything like this to me. 4AD Cyp was the worst one before this and all it did was give me a few extra whiteheads at around 2g per week stacked with around 800mg or so of 1-Test Cyp per week (that was my final "prohormone" cycle). So androgenically speaking that should have been worse. Yet 400mg of Tren E per week made it look like nothing.

  18. Yeah hit or miss with sides…..

    Good luck with the treatment…. Hope it goes well.

  19. Did you try accutane Null?
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