intense "pulsing" transformation cycle ideas
- 07-08-2007, 01:03 AM
intense "pulsing" transformation cycle ideas
OK, to start i need some opinions.. Im starting week 4 of PCT after a 6 week cycle with PP\Epi\Finigenx. PCT is Tor run inversely to HDX2 with Retain 2 and all the support supps (fish oils, liver etc...) I about 100% recovered but ill continue to do a final week of PCT regardless.
Since one of the major ideas behind pulsing orals it to avoid long term HPTA suppression, wouldn't it work very well to do a pulsing "bridge(if you will)" between standard cycles. I have a 10-12 week injectible planned and ready but i wanted to give my body a good amount of time after this PH cycle before starting. I Figured that pulsing in the meantime would be a good idea. (Of course there would be off time after my current PCT and after the pulse.) --(a few weeks to a month or so)
If you vote that this is a wise idea then read on...if not then please share your concerns..:
THE PULSING PLAN
Pulsing 3-4x a week with Dbol and Epi (dosage advice needed)
OR I'll pulse on an EOD protocol.
I was thinking that it may be advisable to take a week (4-7 days) off here and run a little TORM taper just for safety sake
Days 31-60 (or 36-66 depending on the above)
Pulsing 3-4x a week with epi and 3ad (or one of the former with furazadrol\furaguno)( dosage advice needed)
OR I'll pulse on an EOD protocol.
Days 67-whenever necessary)
A modest PCT (serm taper + something like the nha stack\usp stack) for reassurance and further support
Summary and side notes
The idea is more of a "bulk" to start, and then finish off with mild compounds that help with leaning out (two of the above listed arent methyls.)
I will be using cycle support just for a piece of mind probably at only half a dose\day with other support supps
I am going ot run an AI like HDx2 throughout, especially on off days, along with a Test booster (trib, fen type) throughout and\or on off days. -->I was thinking about just using USP's Bulk powerfull with Anabolic Pump the whole time, with activate and HDx2 on off days in addition. Would you recommend using the USP products the whole time or just using them during "PCT" and beyond for a sort-of transition, and just using the AI and Activate on off days while pulsing.---> that would save some money.
- 07-08-2007, 05:56 PM
bump.... im curious to know about pulsing in this fashion as well. my main concern is whether or not it's safe to pulse various prohormone/steroid products in a 2 day on, 1 day off split.. (as in, mon/tues on.... wed off, thurs/fri on, sat/sun off). would something such as that actually require at least moderate PCT to be safe, or would it adhere to the guidelines of "pulsing".
- 07-08-2007, 06:14 PM
07-08-2007, 06:58 PM
I'm not entirely sure on this to be honest. Would be interesting to hear others opinions. In my mind I wouldn't even mess with the orals and I would use one of the NH stacks. Those are actually pretty effective imo. Although now there are all these posts calling them steroids or whatever, but they seem to be very very mild (even more so than things like epi).
07-08-2007, 07:05 PM
07-08-2007, 07:09 PM
07-08-2007, 08:01 PM
yea same. when you read through that log look into the Dbol Epi combo. Dr.D and many others affirm that the initial doses of Dbol act like a mild AI and spark in increase in LH. So if pulsing 3-4 (probably 3 would be best) "initial" doses of Dbol a week would potentiate higher Natty test levels in the long run, which is even further supported by the AI activity of Epi, and running a strong test booster and an AI like 6-br on off days. The combo is like getting the long term best of both worlds from an NH stack and an oral PH\Steroid run. (maybe a bit exaggerated but since the side effects "should" be so minimal, the long term effects will be worth the wait...)
07-09-2007, 09:15 AM
try it man, we need to do our own research sometimes and if you are tracking progress and all the other variables then others can see if your idea was a good one.
My personal stance would be that you would never really be giving your HPTA time to act regularly, and i think that is most important in the long run. People dont think that when they use hormonal products you actually run a risk of low testosterone levels at an earlier age. I dont believe there is any true way to bridge cycles without still suppressing natty hormones....even with the normal PCT at day 67 or whatever, you still would need to take time off after PCT imo but that is just my perception and opinion.
07-09-2007, 11:15 AM
Yea i agree, i did mention there would be time off between my current pct and the pulse idea, and between the post-pulse pct and the injectable cycle. I just feel like this plan can allow me not to take as much time off. Do you usually go by Time ON+the lenghth of PCT= Time off, or Time ON=Time off( time off including PCT length).
07-09-2007, 11:48 AM
i go at least a month after PCT but i like to go longer until i feel everything is exactly as normal. I like my body to get used to normal function for a few months. It just shocks it so much better when i decide to cycle again plus it keeps me "healthy".
i finished my last pct in the middle of march i believe so i would be over 4 months off (not counting PCT). probably start next one in AUG.
07-09-2007, 11:56 AM
07-11-2007, 01:29 AM
07-11-2007, 11:22 AM
Awesome man, i read through that and now im even more excited to start. Any recommendations about dosing? Id like to get Dr. D in here to comment but hes seemingly busy or just not interested lol/.
Id like to apply this method-Dr.D's which seems very credible and reliable::
"here is my favorite system (2 methyls or a methyl and non-methyl, plus an anti-cort and an AI):
1) Dose most androgenic methyl at approximately 2X amount (or non-methyl at 1X amount) ~1hrs pre-w/o.-during the first four weeks of pulsing this would obviously be the Dbol
2) Dose cortisol antagonist at the very beginning of a 1hr w/o (or immediately after or both.)
3) Dose most anabolic of the 2 methyls at approximately 1X amount (or non-methyl at 2X amount) ~1hr post-w/o.-during the first four weeks of pulsing this would be the epi
1) Dose cortisol antagonist in AM and mid to late afternoon (twice daily.)
2) Dose "suicide" type AI at bedtime utilized a low to medium dose. If you're going to use a liver protectant, this would be the time to take it too."
I would like to use a test booster-possibly activate extreme, at say a half dose during the ON days(free up some bound test at the least), and full dose on the off days (for that bounce back effect). HDx2 and Retain2 will be my AI and Cort blocker respectively.
what are some thoughts about AI dosing specific to this plan (talking mostly the first 4 weeks at the moment)- small to half dose AI on the ON day, and full dose AI on the off day?
Cycle support on OFF days only? or something like half dose for an ON day and full dose on an OFF day.
I shot Dr.D anther PM to see if he could take a look at this thread btw.
Thanks for helpin guys
07-12-2007, 01:12 AM
I think your plan looks good as far as your last post. I'm sorry but I'm not experience enough to give you dosing protocols for your AI etc. You could have a look
Here is the info I gave Dr.D with his feedback:
Wk1: 10 - 20 - 30
Wk2: 40 - 40 - 40
Wk3: same as above
Wk4: 40 On days - 4caps mfx 4caps HDX2 Off days
Blood Test: Comprehensive Metabolic Panel / Hormone / Thyroid panel
1. Take all doses pre and post NOT spaced evenly throughout the day!
2. High calorie post work out meal and eat sufficient protein, especially on off days
3. MFX must be daily if it's going to work right, but HD is EOD
I am sure that he's interested but probably just consumed with family / business. He values you and is more than happy to help anyone, he just must be tied up.
There are others here that could possibly chime in and maybe contact those pulsers in the pulse thread to get them to have a look here.
Sorry I can't help more but am noob / PH / PS / AAS virgin
07-12-2007, 10:21 AM
Myself as well, ( a relative noob that is.) anyway Im sure Dr.D is just very busy. I have time until i planned to start, and bloodwork coming up so I have plenty patients, and hopefully he will chime in soon. Im going to try and contact some other successful pulsers like CRUNCH and maybe xtraflossy. ( i think he pulsed epi and dbol). But anyway i do appreciate your help.
Were your dosings above with just one compound? or were they the net total of two compounds (pre\post)?
07-12-2007, 12:46 PM
I was under the impression that the moment you ingested oral steroids you began suppression of the system
I've read several articles debunking the whole myth of the d-bol bridge for helping to reduce suppression, and this sounds similar
my opinion is that if you're going to use a suppressive anabolic/androgenic drug, you might as well deal with the suppression and run the full cycle to the maximum benefit instead of half assing it
but that's my belief, you can do what you want - let us know how it goes.
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