question about 4hydroxytestosterone.

**jweave23** · 07-08-2003, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by custom
I do not think that anyone is really qualified to say what kind of gains one could expect w/4-Test compared to 1-Test as it is simply too new. Given that it cannot convert to estrogen, and is already an active hormone, I do not think you could go wrong w/it in a transdermal mix.

Agreed and well said IMO.

Anyone care to comment on PA's views at BB.com however?:

"4-hydroxy is not an intermediate for any AAS. It is not an intermediate for any anti-estrogens either, though it is a metabolite of formestane.

I know of no evidence that the 4-hydroxy increases affinity to the estrogen receptor. If it does then that would be a bad thing, not a good thing.

The compound is significantly weaker then testosterone as an anabolic. This is what the literature says. I do not know what literature you are referring to when you say its "very anabolic". Are you selling the stuff or something???

What do you mean there is "no special breakdown in the liver, there fore its a poor oral?" that sounds totally contradictory

All in all, this compound IMO holds very little promise"

here is the thread, anyone:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=142491

 

 

**maggmaster** · 07-08-2003, 11:30 AM

Problem with this that is that with any "new" hormone there comes a period when people are trying to find the niche in which the hormone fits. People on animals board are saying its a strong anabolic comparable to eq which makes sense since in literature it is 70% as anabolic as test which is right around where eq is. Comparing it to a compound like trenbolone it looks like crap and its expensive but it has its uses, in a stack with test as a secondary anabolic, or as a standalone with few negative sides.

**legalgear.com** · 07-09-2003, 11:08 AM

I think you are right on the money here magmaster. It probably isn't the best anabolic to use by itself if you are looking for massive gains. It would make a great stack though since it has no conversion side effects. The OH on the 4th position should provide roughly the same set of effects as both well know steroids Clostabol and Steranabol. Both of these molecules have been described by Big Cat as near perfect steroids from a side effect/potency ratio.

Again, maybe OH-Test will not impart the massive gains that one would see from Tren or Test, but it is legal, it is very safe and is effective. Also, I prefer the gains made by substances like EQ since I believe the slower gains are easier for your body to maintain long term. THat is just my theory. I think OH-Test has a lot of uses and I personally plan on maintaining a large stock of this item and OH-Nandralone when the ban goes through. I am 32 though and the thought of a seriously reduced risk steroid is very appealing. Ones thoughts tend to change as one gets older though...young people might want mass no matter the side effects like bloat and hairloss. I beleive this compound is vastly superior to 4-AD and rivals 1-Test in usefullness in a stack.

EDog

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 12:57 PM

The oh-nandrolone.. Did someone actually make that already. i thought it was a concept that they might make... Do you have any info??? TTY

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 12:58 PM

Hey does someone sell the Raw powder.. TTY

**canadaguy** · 07-09-2003, 01:21 PM

I'm pretty sure that CSS has a product out already with OH-nandrolone. "TMM-100"

**maggmaster** · 07-09-2003, 01:52 PM

im also fairly certain instynct will have it

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 01:54 PM

Who is making the raws???? TTY

**maggmaster** · 07-09-2003, 03:37 PM

china

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 04:03 PM

hehehehe. Its always China but who has the raws here??? Is anyone selling them yet??? TTY

Retired*now legalgear.com* · 07-09-2003, 04:13 PM

Yeah,

Steranabol is OH-Nandrolone and there are powders out there with this compound in them. I don't know why this would be considered legal, but no one seems to have a problem. Steranabol is has good activity and so does Clostebol with a Cl at the 4th position instead of a OH, but they should have the same activities.

We have the raw OH-Test powder coming in. As I said, this is a cool compound IMHO.

EDog

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 04:20 PM

You will be selling the raws???? of both OH's .. TTY

**windwords7** · 07-09-2003, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by curt2go
You will be selling the raws???? of both OH's .. TTY

Yes Curt, we already of OH Test on the website available for preorder.

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 05:15 PM

heheheh.. Did you just redo your website.. I guess its an ongoing thing.. But last time I was there you did not show it....

NO one has ever answered my question on dosages yet.. What were the dosages that were being injected on animals board??? This will give us some idea at what dosage to use it in a topical.... Let me know.. TTY

**curt2go** · 07-09-2003, 05:18 PM

Will you guys be carrying the methy 1-test if it comes out???? TTY

**maggmaster** · 07-09-2003, 11:01 PM

i think guys were doing 100 mg a day and up but I am not sure

Retired*now legalgear.com* · 07-09-2003, 11:07 PM

I thought they were doing 75mg a day (about 1 cc).

EDog

**SteveDFW** · 07-09-2003, 11:13 PM

what recipe are people using to convert to oil?

**canadaguy** · 07-10-2003, 12:09 AM

Most probably one of "Animal's" kits

**SteveDFW** · 07-10-2003, 08:49 AM

I was looking for as non-kit recipe (i.e. %BA, %BB, etc...)

**curt2go** · 07-10-2003, 10:24 AM

So 200mg transdermaly to get the same effect.. Until the new recipe comes out..

TTY

**sethroberts** · 07-29-2003, 08:11 PM

The powder on legal gear -- is that an ester or base (I assume base). Do you/will you have an ester available anytime soon?

**legalgear.com** · 07-29-2003, 09:22 PM

It is a base. We are working on getting an ester (enth if possible) but judging on how quickly this guy got us the base (it's still not here), it could take years! I think this compound has real promise and I am very frustrated that we don't have it yet.

EDog

**windwords7** · 08-04-2003, 07:54 PM

OH TEST has ARRIVED!! Thanks for your patience in this matter but your dilligence has now paid off!!

**curt2go** · 08-04-2003, 07:56 PM

Pimp!!!! heheheh

TTY

**windwords7** · 08-04-2003, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by curt2go
Pimp!!!! heheheh TTY

The master of Pimps more like

**legalgear.com** · 08-11-2003, 10:32 AM

I just started a dermal only of OH Test. My nordiol Cypionate cycle didn't go well. I took a few weeks for recovery (nordiol was only a 4 week cycle so supression was not too bad). I will let you guys know how it goes. I really like the possibilities with this compound. It's metabolite is OH-Dione (formastane) which is a natural anti-E and should help with HPTA supression. I am also taking 6 caps of 6OXO at night. I am hoping to get the benefits of AAS usage with little to no supression. That is the goal.

EDog

**maggmaster** · 08-11-2003, 10:44 AM

Very interesting, kepp us posted in the name of science

**SoupBone** · 08-31-2003, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by legalgear.com
I just started a dermal only of OH Test. My nordiol Cypionate cycle didn't go well. I took a few weeks for recovery (nordiol was only a 4 week cycle so supression was not too bad). I will let you guys know how it goes. I really like the possibilities with this compound. It's metabolite is OH-Dione (formastane) which is a natural anti-E and should help with HPTA supression. I am also taking 6 caps of 6OXO at night. I am hoping to get the benefits of AAS usage with little to no supression. That is the goal.

EDog

So you should be close to 3 weeks into this? How is it going???

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