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Hi, people great news to find this site, i should have checked it out ages ago.
I wouldnt know where to post really so i just stuck my post here since it concerns finasteride the anti baldness drug which for me has acted more like a catabolic rather than an antabolic.
Since i took it my life completely changed. I was on it for 5 weeks and since then my sex life has dropped to zero literally. I have been having most of the side effects including penile shrinkage, testicular and groin pain, penis tiliting, complete loss of erection, nocturnal as well as morning woods are gone and i dont even know what they mean anylonger, plus i cant hold an erection even if i get one once in a month or so, palm sweating, hand tremor, headaches and loads of other symptoms i could go on for ages mentioning.
This has been my life for the last 4 yrs, so since i could no longer have or enjoy sex, i thought i would enjoy returning to the gym and playing sports.
I swear, it took me 2 yrs to loose the weight i would otherwise loose in 2 month before fin use, and that included careful diets and intense workout sessions including sprinting and squating and playing basketball.
For a serious period of time meanwhile i plateaud and couldnt bench press more than 80 or 85 kg which made me wonder since i was way stronger than that in the past. Ant that was 3 yrs after fin use. At that point i started to think how deeply this drug affected me.
Anyways, this yr i incorporated more and more squating in my program in order to try and boost my testo levels and improve my strength and maybe help a little my near zero libido.
Finally what happened was twice this yr i got into an overtraining state. I couldnt really explain it. One day i was happy in the gym lifting and the next day i woke up i wouldnt feel sore or anything, but instead i couldnt get out of bed, i would have serious heart and breathing problems, irritability, dead legs, increased metabolism, need for sleep but complete restlessness and insomnia and other weird problems, like light sensitivity and getting tired from watching tv or playing with my computer and retrosternal heartburn nausea, and very intense low back pain(i heard this could be from low testo)
Its been more than 4 months now im in this state, sometimes worse sometimes 10% better(that means i can walk for like a 50-60 meters) but generally i am really helpless. i have visited doctors and specialists, each one mentions new supplements and new ways to combat this overtraining. Lately, i tried the active rest program since i was so stuck in bed for more than 2 months and that made me completely depressed, so i started swimming a bit and instead of getting better i have lost sensation of my hands and arms. They feel completely weak and senseless like my nerves are working too much or too little and the signals they send are not complete or my muscles are not there on my hands any more.
On the other hand my legs still feel stiff, heavy, immobile and worst of all i have nausea and dizziness and this is really unexplainable since after all this rest and food i should at least be feeling better.
All this time i have tried increased complex carbo intake, protein supplements, glutamine, zinc, cold and hot showers and baths, l-arginine, massage, relaxation techniques, loads of vitamins and minerals and non of them really made an impact on my situation. I feel completely wacked, stale and like my nervous system is messed up. Sometimes i can walk a bit, sometimes i cant walk at all, sometimes i feel there is someone constricting my veins around the back of my neck and i have to sit or lie down immediately. Most of the times i cant breath properly while standing or walking, i feel the air i breath is not enough, like i have smoked 50 cigarretes or something, and when i lie in bed i breath 2 or 3 times faster and heavier to compensate for the lost oxygen while i was standing.
I have done series of blood tests to exlcude other causes to start with but the most significant and worth mentioning results are the ones concerning my hormone panels.
Testosterone 4.25 ng/ml ------ normal values 4-11
Free Testo 13.8 pg/ml ----- normal values 13-40
DHEA-S 4.2 μg/ml ------ normal values 1.6-4.5
SHBG 13nmol/L ------ normal values 15-48
Progesterone 0.83 ng/ml ------ normal values 0.1-1.0
LH 4.8 mIU/ml ------ normal values 1-15
FSH 2.5 mIU/ml ------ normal values 1.7-12
Estradiol e2 35 pg/ml ------ normal values 0-50
Albumin 4.7 gr/dl ------ normal is 3.4-5.0
SGPT 109 IU/L ------ normal is 25-65
cortisol morning 142 μg/l ------normal is 62-200
cortisol night 42 μg/l ------ normal is 23-119
DHT 50 ng/dl ------ normal is 30-85
vitamin b12 261 pg/ml ----- normal is 160-950
So from all this im concerned whether this fatigue and feeling of not being well is due to testo and free testo, which are affected during overtraining especially the free one or whether it is due to some other complication say for example my high ALT(SGPT) or my low vitamin b12. On the other hand i dont understand why for so long this hormone panel remains the same despite trying to boost it with supplements.
Last yr i have had similar but slighter problems but lasted around 6 weeks, i didnt take any supplements or anything else to correct it, and at that time my free testo went maximally down to 17.5 this time there was a period when it was down to 10.8!!!. I dont know if that is that low, and if anyone here has been overtrained in the past for that long he may wanna enlighten me.
Anyways there is a lack of specialists here where i live in greece, and im really concerned about this thing since 4 months have passed by and i cant get any better, i keep staying inside lying down and trying to relax and think positive, while outside its 35 degrees and people are partying and swimming by the sea. This sucks, really.
To sum all this up, my thoughts are going back to finasteride, since that day i took that drug, my hormones have completely plummeled and i can say that for sure. First i had drop in dht then dht rose and the rest like free testo and T went down while estradiol and progesterone kept increasing.
This i guess made me so vulnerable to all this im facing now, let alone my chances of getting better which are scarce at this point. It feels like im coming out of the gym everyday even right now, completely dead and exhausted but without the feeling of well being there, just the exhaustion.
Moreover sometimes i try to ejaculate and then i have pains for like 2 days, throbbing and stubbing around my testicles and penis. This really is something. I would have sex 2 or 3 times a day 4 yrs ago now i cant even think about it, if i dont recover at least to get back to the gym i dont know what i am gonna do next.
Pls help me, i would appreciate any suggestions or any specialists to refer to for all this.
thanks, in advance
I wouldnt know where to post really so i just stuck my post here since it concerns finasteride the anti baldness drug which for me has acted more like a catabolic rather than an antabolic.
Since i took it my life completely changed. I was on it for 5 weeks and since then my sex life has dropped to zero literally. I have been having most of the side effects including penile shrinkage, testicular and groin pain, penis tiliting, complete loss of erection, nocturnal as well as morning woods are gone and i dont even know what they mean anylonger, plus i cant hold an erection even if i get one once in a month or so, palm sweating, hand tremor, headaches and loads of other symptoms i could go on for ages mentioning.
This has been my life for the last 4 yrs, so since i could no longer have or enjoy sex, i thought i would enjoy returning to the gym and playing sports.
I swear, it took me 2 yrs to loose the weight i would otherwise loose in 2 month before fin use, and that included careful diets and intense workout sessions including sprinting and squating and playing basketball.
For a serious period of time meanwhile i plateaud and couldnt bench press more than 80 or 85 kg which made me wonder since i was way stronger than that in the past. Ant that was 3 yrs after fin use. At that point i started to think how deeply this drug affected me.
Anyways, this yr i incorporated more and more squating in my program in order to try and boost my testo levels and improve my strength and maybe help a little my near zero libido.
Finally what happened was twice this yr i got into an overtraining state. I couldnt really explain it. One day i was happy in the gym lifting and the next day i woke up i wouldnt feel sore or anything, but instead i couldnt get out of bed, i would have serious heart and breathing problems, irritability, dead legs, increased metabolism, need for sleep but complete restlessness and insomnia and other weird problems, like light sensitivity and getting tired from watching tv or playing with my computer and retrosternal heartburn nausea, and very intense low back pain(i heard this could be from low testo)
Its been more than 4 months now im in this state, sometimes worse sometimes 10% better(that means i can walk for like a 50-60 meters) but generally i am really helpless. i have visited doctors and specialists, each one mentions new supplements and new ways to combat this overtraining. Lately, i tried the active rest program since i was so stuck in bed for more than 2 months and that made me completely depressed, so i started swimming a bit and instead of getting better i have lost sensation of my hands and arms. They feel completely weak and senseless like my nerves are working too much or too little and the signals they send are not complete or my muscles are not there on my hands any more.
On the other hand my legs still feel stiff, heavy, immobile and worst of all i have nausea and dizziness and this is really unexplainable since after all this rest and food i should at least be feeling better.
All this time i have tried increased complex carbo intake, protein supplements, glutamine, zinc, cold and hot showers and baths, l-arginine, massage, relaxation techniques, loads of vitamins and minerals and non of them really made an impact on my situation. I feel completely wacked, stale and like my nervous system is messed up. Sometimes i can walk a bit, sometimes i cant walk at all, sometimes i feel there is someone constricting my veins around the back of my neck and i have to sit or lie down immediately. Most of the times i cant breath properly while standing or walking, i feel the air i breath is not enough, like i have smoked 50 cigarretes or something, and when i lie in bed i breath 2 or 3 times faster and heavier to compensate for the lost oxygen while i was standing.
I have done series of blood tests to exlcude other causes to start with but the most significant and worth mentioning results are the ones concerning my hormone panels.
Testosterone 4.25 ng/ml ------ normal values 4-11
Free Testo 13.8 pg/ml ----- normal values 13-40
DHEA-S 4.2 μg/ml ------ normal values 1.6-4.5
SHBG 13nmol/L ------ normal values 15-48
Progesterone 0.83 ng/ml ------ normal values 0.1-1.0
LH 4.8 mIU/ml ------ normal values 1-15
FSH 2.5 mIU/ml ------ normal values 1.7-12
Estradiol e2 35 pg/ml ------ normal values 0-50
Albumin 4.7 gr/dl ------ normal is 3.4-5.0
SGPT 109 IU/L ------ normal is 25-65
cortisol morning 142 μg/l ------normal is 62-200
cortisol night 42 μg/l ------ normal is 23-119
DHT 50 ng/dl ------ normal is 30-85
vitamin b12 261 pg/ml ----- normal is 160-950
So from all this im concerned whether this fatigue and feeling of not being well is due to testo and free testo, which are affected during overtraining especially the free one or whether it is due to some other complication say for example my high ALT(SGPT) or my low vitamin b12. On the other hand i dont understand why for so long this hormone panel remains the same despite trying to boost it with supplements.
Last yr i have had similar but slighter problems but lasted around 6 weeks, i didnt take any supplements or anything else to correct it, and at that time my free testo went maximally down to 17.5 this time there was a period when it was down to 10.8!!!. I dont know if that is that low, and if anyone here has been overtrained in the past for that long he may wanna enlighten me.
Anyways there is a lack of specialists here where i live in greece, and im really concerned about this thing since 4 months have passed by and i cant get any better, i keep staying inside lying down and trying to relax and think positive, while outside its 35 degrees and people are partying and swimming by the sea. This sucks, really.
To sum all this up, my thoughts are going back to finasteride, since that day i took that drug, my hormones have completely plummeled and i can say that for sure. First i had drop in dht then dht rose and the rest like free testo and T went down while estradiol and progesterone kept increasing.
This i guess made me so vulnerable to all this im facing now, let alone my chances of getting better which are scarce at this point. It feels like im coming out of the gym everyday even right now, completely dead and exhausted but without the feeling of well being there, just the exhaustion.
Moreover sometimes i try to ejaculate and then i have pains for like 2 days, throbbing and stubbing around my testicles and penis. This really is something. I would have sex 2 or 3 times a day 4 yrs ago now i cant even think about it, if i dont recover at least to get back to the gym i dont know what i am gonna do next.
Pls help me, i would appreciate any suggestions or any specialists to refer to for all this.
thanks, in advance
