should i consider pregnenolone?
- 07-03-2007, 06:15 PM
should i consider pregnenolone?
never posted on this subforum, but it seems like an active and informed one. anyway...
> 28 y/o, 6'6" 245lbs, 12% BF
> avid steroid user, been off for 3 months, planning to get back on soon. just came off a rather long run of 100mcg/day T4.
> classic lowish testosterone: little facial and body hair until mid-20s, unimpressive natural sex drive...T is probably not TOO bad, as i can function sexually OK, my genitals are normal, and i was able to build muscle without much difficulty pre-steroids.
> body comp: meso. able to gain and lose fat or muscle easily. (implies that my thyroid is not totally screwed, i think)
> energy: terrible. sleepy every day after work.
> mood: not great. been worse recently, but nowhere near the level it was just 5 years ago. workaday routine contributes, but does not entirely explain it.
> stress: average. i am cucumber-cool in response to stressors, but i do have a background anxiety.
> TOTAL CHOLESTEROL: 123. has been low for years. i think this may be the root of some of my problems.
now, one is inclined to think i am still recovering from the T4 run...which is likely. but there appears to be something else going on too. I KNOW, i need a endo panel with free T3 and T4 and free test and all that, but it's probably not going to happen any time soon.
do i sound like a good candidate for pregnenolone? what can i expect? all advice appreciated.
- 07-03-2007, 06:27 PM
Hardasnails have same cholesterol levels plus hi have a steroid history.
You may learn from him.
I have a long list for blood test.
You may want to look at it.
It cost $3500, but my insurance pays for it once a year.
Endos are often of no help, except possibly in diabetis.
Better luck with osteopaths or doctors specializing in thyroid/adrenals.
Dr John is our guru here, you can contact him.
But you would have to promise him to not to use steroids any longer. If you are able to make that promise and stick to your promise he is your best shot.
- 07-03-2007, 07:00 PM
i guess when i ask for all advice, i allow myself to be condescended to by a stranger with a predisposition, who has such ill intentions that he wishes to prevent everyone from aiding a person in need.
so, 12 weeks of, say, 500mg test enanthate, followed by a rigorous post cycle therapy and appropriate time off, done maybe twice a year, is somehow worse than advocating, say 200mg of TE forever? okay pal. my brief stay @ 1500-2000ng/dL total T as opposed to countless HRT guys @ 800-1000ng/dL on a year-round basis is grounds for unequivocal denial of advice. thanks for nothing, doc. obviously you are only protecting the status quo whereby your kind can hand out advice...well turns out most docs a person encounters have about 2 options for their patients. if a person wants to explore other creative solutions, they are suddenly on the fringe and subject to be cast out as lawbreakers and evildoers. nice.
anyone else who would like to weigh in, please do. any more random steroid flaming - keep it to yourself.
07-03-2007, 07:05 PM
07-03-2007, 07:22 PM
THings that causes low cholesterol
lack of insulin
possible lack of estrogen which is shown to increase cholesterol
Given the fact I have low choelsterol and low thyroid pregenlone cream may be a god sent
45 mgs every 3rd day cyp (PRESCRIPTED NOT UG)
1/4 armour and 1/2 t3 BID
50 mgs pregenlone cream topical will increase after 2-3 weeks
25 mgs DHEA
20 mgs cortef..
Doctorr dropped hcg because of fact of high estrogen and also want to see what body can do on pregenolone and start building things ground up correctly instead of half assed. Like previous drs before. We are examining estogen metabolism via urine test and doing every thing rigth way this time..way it is suppiose to be done. after T levels are stable then hcg is added in this way we know where my estrogen levels are and can adjust things from there if need be..
07-03-2007, 07:28 PM
my insulin is good, if blood sugar modulation is the only real marker. always come in right where i am supposed to on the finger-pricker.
my diet is pretty outrageously high in fiber, but even before it was that way i had super-low cholesterol.
i've done atkins previously with success (weight drops a little too quickly, and takes muscle with it, but it works)...i've also used my fair share of stimulants over the years; probably not helping my cause.
hardasnails how long have you been on the preg? anything noticeable yet?
07-03-2007, 08:07 PM
07-03-2007, 08:12 PM
07-03-2007, 08:38 PM
07-03-2007, 09:06 PM
Right, no cholesterol I understand. but 123 is not "no" cholesterol. From what I've understood, under 150 is considered desireable, and doctors start to treat it with prescription meds at 200.
07-03-2007, 09:19 PM
07-03-2007, 09:50 PM
That part is anecdotal, rather than me being prescibed at that. A friend is at around 220ish (down from around 260 on dietary change over a year), and his doctor was considering meds for him.
For me, i've always had a fairly low cholesterol, with excellent ratio, even tho I was a big tub of fat (5'9.5, 245lbd), generally in the 150-170 range. Since i've lost weight, started doing body building, and eaten more high omega 3/6/9 stuff, and clipped pretty much all bad fats, mine has dropped to around 129 as of last test (i'm a blood donor, so get a serum cholesterol every donation). So whats a too low cholesterol? And what would be a good level that reduces heart disease risk?
07-03-2007, 09:52 PM
07-03-2007, 10:07 PM
So in the 150s would be good then? I should be able to take in enough red meat fats to hit that Its hard to get everything all optimized dietarily. Maybe i'll add a few pieces of bacon in a week, and give up on canola based mayo. I'll be donating again end of july so i'll see whats happening then
07-04-2007, 05:58 PM
At first, this had me scratching my head . But then I saw what Dr. John had written:Originally Posted by Same_Old
And for a second there, I was thinking, "Has Same Old gone off his rocker?"Originally Posted by Dr. John
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07-05-2007, 11:08 AM
update: i love all forum mods, i agree with everything my doctor tells me, and the tooth fairy visited me last night.
07-05-2007, 11:17 AM
07-05-2007, 11:24 AM
07-05-2007, 11:29 AM
yeah, it seems like wild theory tho. Although for me, it won't be hard to bring it up a little to hit the 150 mark, i dont want to go higher than that really. no point in raising artherosclerosis risk just to maybe get some hormonal benefit. It shouldn't take much for me to raise it 20 points, seeing as how hard people have to work to get it down
I still think he's a **** tho for not responding to my question as i'm still a virgin hormone wise (although i'm considering it)
07-05-2007, 11:41 AM
i have been going over this low-cholesterol = low hormone theory in my head the last 2 days...seems to me, i'd rather keep my actual blood cholesterol low (to not increase cardiac risk) and supplement with the substrate needed for hormone production. pregnenolone, being the very next step down from cholesterol, but (to my knowledge) not having any negative cardiac effects, seems like an obvious choice...you get all the positives - low cholesterol for a healthy heart and veins, plus plenty of material for making all the hormones you need, with none of the negatives.
anybody see a flaw in this logic?
07-05-2007, 12:44 PM
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