Havoc/Epistane vs Halodrol-50
06-29-2007 04:40 PM
Havoc/Epistane vs Halodrol-50
Referring to the 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol version of halodrol-50 (or clones) not the original one that had dmt etc
Which would be more potent at the dosages of 50mg for halodrol vs 30mg for havoc/epi
07-26-2007 04:13 PM
epi highly more effective
10-17-2007 06:41 PM
20mg of epi would still be stronger than 50mg halo, IMO
10-17-2007 06:47 PM
I'd like to see more opinions if there are any out there.
10-17-2007 06:57 PM
Havoc blew my real Gaspari H-50 away...not even close.
Check out my log for more details...
The Klugman Diaries: Halodrol-50/TST log - Improved! Now with Havoc!!!
10-17-2007 07:13 PM
Running with the Big Boys
I have tried Epi, and will be on havoc within the next few weeks. Glad to see how powerful it is
02-19-2008 07:10 PM
Epi seems to me the consensus but I've seen at least a half a dozen people who took both & gained more total mass with Halo. My associate used both and he gained 11 pounds on Halo plus decreased BF by 1.5% which is really impressive IMO. On his Epi he gained 10 pounds and decresed BF by 0.5%. Halo was his 1st though. But Epi was 2nd & over a year later.
Last edited by Ziquor; 05-30-2008 at 11:11 AM.
02-24-2008 10:15 PM
Last edited by Ziquor; 05-30-2008 at 11:06 AM.
02-25-2008 12:30 PM
I ran methandrol-50 for 3 weeks (50/50/100) last year and then went straight into havoc 30/30/30/30. I felt pretty much nothing from the methandrol-50 even at 100mg. Mind you I was just coming off of being sick but still, no increased pumps, no increased strength no increased anything. Maybe it was a bunk clone ?
The havoc made my muscles harder, I'd wake up in the morning and my bi's would feel sort of pumped, was doing curls in my sleep ? I had increased vascularity. Insane pumps, to the point of pain. Strength went up but nothing to spectacular and weight went up a bit. I think it would be a good for cutting. My libido went down the last week or two of the havoc but I had no noticeable shrinkage of the boys.
03-18-2008 02:32 PM
i plan on taking epi for 4 weeks followed by 4 weeks halo
both while running femara in small amounts and dhea mid cycle and possibly pct.......................alon g with the usual pct goodies
03-26-2008 07:51 PM
What's your plan for this cycle? Reason I ask is because I like the idea a lot. I dunno if I'd do 8 weeks anymore, 'cause, well, I'm older now, and I'd probaby plan a 6 weeker.
Originally Posted by anapolack2
In all honesty, I've been out of the loop for a couple years, and I haven't studied enough on the specifics of epi or halodrol to know what to do yet. I've done plenty of cycles, but not since '06. I'll start one this August. So I'd love to hear your ideas and check out how it goes for you.
03-26-2008 11:50 PM
yeah....the more i think about it the more i think ill do a 6 week cycle
05-23-2008 03:37 PM
Thinking of running Halo, already ran epi so.........Bumpin it!!
05-28-2008 04:32 PM
I ran methandrol-50 for 3 weeks (50/50/100) last year and then went straight into havoc 30/30/30/30.
Thing is Epi kicks in pretty quick whereas Halo clones don't even start to have their effects until week 3. So a 3 week cycle of Halo is pointless. Plus running Halo at 50 is pretty much pointless. I think 5 seems ideal. Some have ran for 5-6. I've seen good many over 12 pound gain logs for Halo. With Halo logs it seems sides are completely non-existent for the most part with the exception of slight elevation in BP. There's a few 15+ pound gains log/reviews on AM with Halo. The best Epi log by FAR IMO is Poopy's Epi log. Also T1 has a kick ass Halo log. Also Swole210 has a great Halo log.
Last edited by Ziquor; 05-30-2008 at 12:30 AM.
05-28-2008 04:36 PM
Bottom line is both are excellent compounds. Maybe the 2 best OVERALL (sides vs. gains) as long as you get a pure version of them
05-29-2008 09:40 PM
Ziquor, You might be right but I wonder why would an oral like this take so long to kick in ? It's not like they have esters like inject ables. I'm not saying it can't be this way just wondering why this would be the case. As for the logs I wouldn't put all your faith in that. I've seen enough logs for crap products that claimed great gains, especially sponsored logs. Could also be the clone I had was no good or a bad batch or maybe your right and I didn't run it long enough at high enough of a dose. But I can tell you for sure the havoc kicked in very fast and was very noticeable. Is that a real quote in your sig ? Who said that.
05-30-2008 12:35 AM
I understand your point about the logs, but the only ones I typically put faith in are the ones of people I know are legit. As for the oral question there's plenty of oral meds that take quite a long time to 'kick in'. Certain things just take a while to build up in your blood stream to reach a steady level. Herbals as well - many take weeks to start working. Check Oral Turinabol - that's what Halo converts to. It has a long half life compared to most orals and typically takes some time to notice gains as well.
Originally Posted by broken7
05-30-2008 10:08 AM
A steady level is reached within days. It does not make sense that an oral kicks in after two or three weeks. I would feel long acting injectables before three weeks when i was involved in that sort of thing.
Originally Posted by Ziquor
05-30-2008 10:47 AM
Hawthorn berry take 3-4 weeks to begin having effect. Glucosamine takes 5-8 weeks to begin working, SSRI's like Zoloft take 2-4 weeks to take effect. I could go on all day but there's no point. Maybe do some research before taking any chemicals if you're not sure how they work in the body.
Originally Posted by jcp2
05-30-2008 02:00 PM
haha, you mean like all the parroted info that gets passed around by kids on all these boards. After glancing through the forum their is little real world knowledge compared to just copying what someone else says over and over and over. I try to speak from actually doing, not copying and pasting. It is funny how many things i still see being repeated as fact from 8 years ago about steroids. But i will do my research thanks.
Originally Posted by Ziquor
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