Havoc/Epistane vs Halodrol-50
- 06-29-2007, 05:40 PM
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02-19-2008, 08:10 PM
Epi seems to me the consensus but I've seen at least a half a dozen people who took both & gained more total mass with Halo. My associate used both and he gained 11 pounds on Halo plus decreased BF by 1.5% which is really impressive IMO. On his Epi he gained 10 pounds and decresed BF by 0.5%. Halo was his 1st though. But Epi was 2nd & over a year later.
Last edited by Ziquor; 05-30-2008 at 12:11 PM.
02-24-2008, 11:15 PM
02-25-2008, 01:30 PM
I ran methandrol-50 for 3 weeks (50/50/100) last year and then went straight into havoc 30/30/30/30. I felt pretty much nothing from the methandrol-50 even at 100mg. Mind you I was just coming off of being sick but still, no increased pumps, no increased strength no increased anything. Maybe it was a bunk clone ?
The havoc made my muscles harder, I'd wake up in the morning and my bi's would feel sort of pumped, was doing curls in my sleep ? I had increased vascularity. Insane pumps, to the point of pain. Strength went up but nothing to spectacular and weight went up a bit. I think it would be a good for cutting. My libido went down the last week or two of the havoc but I had no noticeable shrinkage of the boys.
03-18-2008, 03:32 PM
i plan on taking epi for 4 weeks followed by 4 weeks halo
both while running femara in small amounts and dhea mid cycle and possibly pct.......................alon g with the usual pct goodies
03-26-2008, 08:51 PM
In all honesty, I've been out of the loop for a couple years, and I haven't studied enough on the specifics of epi or halodrol to know what to do yet. I've done plenty of cycles, but not since '06. I'll start one this August. So I'd love to hear your ideas and check out how it goes for you.
03-27-2008, 12:50 AM
05-23-2008, 04:37 PM
05-28-2008, 05:32 PM
I ran methandrol-50 for 3 weeks (50/50/100) last year and then went straight into havoc 30/30/30/30.
Thing is Epi kicks in pretty quick whereas Halo clones don't even start to have their effects until week 3. So a 3 week cycle of Halo is pointless. Plus running Halo at 50 is pretty much pointless. I think 5 seems ideal. Some have ran for 5-6. I've seen good many over 12 pound gain logs for Halo. With Halo logs it seems sides are completely non-existent for the most part with the exception of slight elevation in BP. There's a few 15+ pound gains log/reviews on AM with Halo. The best Epi log by FAR IMO is Poopy's Epi log. Also T1 has a kick ass Halo log. Also Swole210 has a great Halo log.
Last edited by Ziquor; 05-30-2008 at 01:30 AM.
05-28-2008, 05:36 PM
Bottom line is both are excellent compounds. Maybe the 2 best OVERALL (sides vs. gains) as long as you get a pure version of them
05-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Ziquor, You might be right but I wonder why would an oral like this take so long to kick in ? It's not like they have esters like inject ables. I'm not saying it can't be this way just wondering why this would be the case. As for the logs I wouldn't put all your faith in that. I've seen enough logs for crap products that claimed great gains, especially sponsored logs. Could also be the clone I had was no good or a bad batch or maybe your right and I didn't run it long enough at high enough of a dose. But I can tell you for sure the havoc kicked in very fast and was very noticeable. Is that a real quote in your sig ? Who said that.
05-30-2008, 01:35 AM
05-30-2008, 11:08 AM
05-30-2008, 11:47 AM
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05-30-2008, 09:20 PM
05-30-2008, 09:50 PM
I never used halo jcp2,but I have known from research from before I ever decided to rake a designer that halo takes 2-3 weeks for affects.I did use mass tabs(my first)and they didn't kick in untill the 30 day cycle was almost done.I'm guessing day 21-22?I heard others say this about them too.By the time they kick in,it's about time to quit.If they were still around or much cheaper,I would run another cycle for 45 days.I realy liked them.
05-30-2008, 10:02 PM
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05-30-2008, 10:39 PM
05-30-2008, 10:47 PM
05-30-2008, 10:51 PM
I got ya. One thing I love about AM though is the non-sense is only about 0.01% as it is on BB dot com. That place is absurd. The only forums I have membership on is here, MD just to ask PA questions, and DA - but I quickly realized it SUCKS too. Unless your searching for mis-information. The amount of good info on AM compared to everywhere else is 10 fold at least. Plus it's the second largest board next to, well, next to bb where 90% of the members seem to be 17-19 year olds.
05-30-2008, 10:55 PM
Also the mdrol kicked in almost right away where as the mass tabs took about 3 weeks to kick in.
05-30-2008, 11:07 PM
05-30-2008, 11:13 PM
Halodrol is a pretty decent compound imo. As Z had already stated, i honestly didn't get anything significant out of it until the last few weeks of the cycle. I ran it as high as 100mg/day. The strength and mass gains became very significant during those last few weeks for me.
Halo is good stuff, but it takes a bit to fully kick in. My recovery during PCT was a breeze which sold me even more on the compound. I would also recommend a 5-6 weeker to really take in all it has to offer.
Havoc gave me better overall strength and size gains however in comparison for the time period run. I gained about 12lbs from the halo cycle, and about 15lbs from havoc.
Overall - I'd run either one again in a heartbeat.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
05-31-2008, 06:46 AM
05-31-2008, 08:03 AM
05-31-2008, 08:09 AM
My God... I just found an Evo product and each serving has 10mg of Epithio per serving & 10mg of ATD per serving. They advertise it as a PCT product that is a "Pharmaceutical grade aromatase inhibitor & natural testosterone booster"!?!
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