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  1. what-do-you-mean-[it works?]


    Pat Arnold

    The TA can be dissolved into DMSO, or Andro Spray, or alcohol etc. and applied transdermally as an option. Another option is just to crush them and eat them. Believe it or not, trenbolone is very orally active and is excreted as a conjugate of either unchanged trenbolone or the 17-epimer of trenbolone (meaning it is very resistant to metabolic inactivation). Hey, it’s all in the scientific literature if you do not believe me. The only problem is that the half life is might not be very long, so you might have to pop the stuff 4 times a day. But the total absorption into the body will be higher taking it orally than taking it transdermally so it might be worth it. The injectable is still best of course. "

    BC---------Patrick Arnold is THE authority on steroids in the world. There is none like him. If you want absolute certainty on these issues, he'd be the one to ask. The problem is he knows it as well and really likes to show it off. I mean, I'm a molecular biologist and few know what I know, but he makes me feel like a little kid sometimes.

    I'd like to actually see the lit on it as well. But the triple double bond does suggest increased oréal availability, something to do with liver enzymes not being able to bind it properly. A 4 double bond in conjucntion with another upper nucleus double bond will achieve that (as with boldenone) and tren has two upper nucleus double bonds. I assume that's where the explanation lies. The numbers I have heard are about 25-30%. Meaning you would get good results using 200-240 (10-12 pellets) per day orally. Same results as injecting 75/day.--------------------------------------------------------I know its old news --but I nver heard the explanation for it


  2. I have personally done this and I dont think the results were that great. Then again I was cutting, so I dont know. I think I did 12 pellets/day, or 4 pellets 3x daily.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Tren ace has an oral bioavailability of about 25%; therefore, it is more plausable to eat finaplix than to create a transdermal solution. However, 25% or eating it vs. 100% of injecting it leads me to believe that it's cheaper to inject.
    well when you think about all the problems with inj tren ace like --how many times you need to inj--too much BA--abcess from dirty tren --cough--ect---and as far as $ --when you cover a sources minimum plus delivery plus all the supplies you need --it could be cheaper to eat it--IMOP alot of people who say its no good--have some other motives --like the kit makers ect

  4. Quote Originally Posted by skull View Post
    well when you think about all the problems with inj tren ace like --how many times you need to inj--too much BA--abcess from dirty tren --cough--ect---and as far as $ --when you cover a sources minimum plus delivery plus all the supplies you need --it could be cheaper to eat it--its my opion that alot of people who say its no good--have some other motives --like the kit makers ect
    sorry, I as assuming that you were talking about using tren ace from steroidal cattle implants. In which case (I know because I was thinking of doing it, until I realized how much it would cost) be cheaper to buy a conversion kit to make into an injectable.

  5. I wonder how hepatoxic it is when eaten...
    E-Pharm Nutrition Representative

  6. Quote Originally Posted by rampage jackson View Post
    I wonder how hepatoxic it is when eaten...
    If its hepatoxic when eaten, wouldn't it be just as hepatoxic if injected?? Your only delaying the pass through the liver, not eliminating it.

  7. i did this also years ago when this first came out on AE..it worked ok for me but you piss yellow nonstop because of the talc used for the pellets

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    That is a really good point, and many people neglect that. If I weren't such a rep whore (and the system allowed me), I'd rep ya.

    Hey, its the thought that counts!
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  9. well all I can say right now --when I first looked into this years ago I was interested in TD[didnt want to inj]I didnt think eating pellets was an option---all I read was the glue and the binders will kill ya--well come to find out theres no glue and the binders are the same thing you find in some laxitives at the store . So as I dug a little deeper I found other posts that only seemed to come up on google searches-like they where hidden away --of course they dont do that sort of thing here

  10. wut if u could make it a liquid oral the alchohol will wase away all the binders

  11. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Well considering that alcohol is a pretty decent solvent, it's probable that you could dissolve the glue and binders as well.
    NO GLUE !:donut:

  12. its talc...on the same site that PA wrote that article there is a article by BK explaining he contacted the manufacturer and they told him they use talc and pressure to make the pellets

  13. Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    its talc...on the same site that PA wrote that article there is a article by BK explaining he contacted the manufacturer and they told him they use talc and pressure to make the pellets
    I wouldn't imagine they used anything deadly or poisonous; afterall, these are being implanted into a cow.

  14. very interesting idea about the alcohol

    You could dissolve the crushed tablets into a bare minimum of ethyl alcohol, syphon off the top solution, leaving the binders in the bottom.

    Put it in a dropper, assuming that you got 80 to 90% of the hormone and eye drop it down.

    I think I'm gonna try this sometime, just cause I'm a curious type.

  15. well if your going to do all that just wattman filter it..it will be easier and clener

  16. buy a proper kit to convert the pellets.

  17. O Yea Now Everyone Wants To Copy My Idea Lol

  18. Just run the dissolved pellets through a coffee filter or t-shirt. That will get the binder and leave only the tren ace.

    This is an interesting idea. I agree injecting is cheaper, but for needlephobes, it lookes like eating may be the way to go versus transdermal.

  19. Your right, a kit an injecting would be the way to go for ideal use.

    But, I'm just curious to see if such a thing could work, for knowledge's sake.

  20. A good TD matrix can get you up around 40% absorption...

  21. What's a good TD matrix, and is it going to be cost effective versus 'pellet-munching'?
    Well it will cost you money to mix it up, but you could save ~2x the actives. Its up to you if the cost of buying/making a transdermal carrier and the work that goes along with using that form of administration is right for you. Check out the transdermals forum if you're interested.

    BV

  22. Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga View Post
    Well it will cost you money to mix it up, but you could save ~2x the actives. Its up to you if the cost of buying/making a transdermal carrier and the work that goes along with using that form of administration is right for you. Check out the transdermals forum if you're interested.

    BV
    I've read some of your recipes from the TD forum. 40% is quite an effective matrix, and that put the name "Finaderm" in my mind (which is a little pricey). Now there's a bunch variables such as cycle length, dosing, saturation concentration of carrier matrix, and cost of fina pellets that would need to be factored to see how which is more 'cost efficient'.

    I'm sure once all the cost calcs are put together, you'll only make a small percentage of cost savings from one method to another.

  23. well Ive been taking 10 pellets in 2doses [orally]for 7 days with some flax and wash it down with a protien shake--no real bad sides to report[slight stomach upset] no big deal--WT up 4lbs strength up--noticing viens popping out--Planning to take 12 pellets in 3 doses and also add some grapefruit juice[to extend halflife] all the threads Ive read most quit 2-3weeks for a number of reasons

  24. Quote Originally Posted by RedwolfWV View Post
    If its hepatoxic when eaten, wouldn't it be just as hepatoxic if injected?? Your only delaying the pass through the liver, not eliminating it.
    No, injectable isnt as hard on the liver

  25. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post
    No, injectable isnt as hard on the liver
    I'd need a medical explaination of this before I'd believe it. No disrespect meant.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by RedwolfWV View Post
    I'd need a medical explaination of this before I'd believe it. No disrespect meant.

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