- 06-23-2007, 09:54 AM
The TA can be dissolved into DMSO, or Andro Spray, or alcohol etc. and applied transdermally as an option. Another option is just to crush them and eat them. Believe it or not, trenbolone is very orally active and is excreted as a conjugate of either unchanged trenbolone or the 17-epimer of trenbolone (meaning it is very resistant to metabolic inactivation). Hey, itâ€™s all in the scientific literature if you do not believe me. The only problem is that the half life is might not be very long, so you might have to pop the stuff 4 times a day. But the total absorption into the body will be higher taking it orally than taking it transdermally so it might be worth it. The injectable is still best of course. "
BC---------Patrick Arnold is THE authority on steroids in the world. There is none like him. If you want absolute certainty on these issues, he'd be the one to ask. The problem is he knows it as well and really likes to show it off. I mean, I'm a molecular biologist and few know what I know, but he makes me feel like a little kid sometimes.
I'd like to actually see the lit on it as well. But the triple double bond does suggest increased orĂ©al availability, something to do with liver enzymes not being able to bind it properly. A 4 double bond in conjucntion with another upper nucleus double bond will achieve that (as with boldenone) and tren has two upper nucleus double bonds. I assume that's where the explanation lies. The numbers I have heard are about 25-30%. Meaning you would get good results using 200-240 (10-12 pellets) per day orally. Same results as injecting 75/day.--------------------------------------------------------I know its old news --but I nver heard the explanation for it
- 06-23-2007, 03:04 PM
I have personally done this and I dont think the results were that great. Then again I was cutting, so I dont know. I think I did 12 pellets/day, or 4 pellets 3x daily.
- 06-23-2007, 03:07 PM
Tren ace has an oral bioavailability of about 25%; therefore, it is more plausable to eat finaplix than to create a transdermal solution. However, 25% or eating it vs. 100% of injecting it leads me to believe that it's cheaper to inject.
06-23-2007, 03:28 PM
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06-23-2007, 06:06 PM
I wonder how hepatoxic it is when eaten...
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06-23-2007, 06:12 PM
06-23-2007, 06:14 PM
i did this also years ago when this first came out on AE..it worked ok for me but you piss yellow nonstop because of the talc used for the pellets
06-23-2007, 06:25 PM
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06-23-2007, 07:47 PM
well all I can say right now --when I first looked into this years ago I was interested in TD[didnt want to inj]I didnt think eating pellets was an option---all I read was the glue and the binders will kill ya--well come to find out theres no glue and the binders are the same thing you find in some laxitives at the store . So as I dug a little deeper I found other posts that only seemed to come up on google searches-like they where hidden away --of course they dont do that sort of thing here
06-23-2007, 08:15 PM
wut if u could make it a liquid oral the alchohol will wase away all the binders
06-23-2007, 09:15 PM
Well considering that alcohol is a pretty decent solvent, it's probable that you could dissolve the glue and binders as well.
06-23-2007, 09:27 PM
06-23-2007, 11:41 PM
its talc...on the same site that PA wrote that article there is a article by BK explaining he contacted the manufacturer and they told him they use talc and pressure to make the pellets
06-24-2007, 07:28 AM
06-24-2007, 11:41 AM
very interesting idea about the alcohol
You could dissolve the crushed tablets into a bare minimum of ethyl alcohol, syphon off the top solution, leaving the binders in the bottom.
Put it in a dropper, assuming that you got 80 to 90% of the hormone and eye drop it down.
I think I'm gonna try this sometime, just cause I'm a curious type.
06-24-2007, 08:39 PM
well if your going to do all that just wattman filter it..it will be easier and clener
06-25-2007, 11:33 AM
06-25-2007, 05:41 PM
06-25-2007, 07:56 PM
Just run the dissolved pellets through a coffee filter or t-shirt. That will get the binder and leave only the tren ace.
This is an interesting idea. I agree injecting is cheaper, but for needlephobes, it lookes like eating may be the way to go versus transdermal.
06-25-2007, 11:03 PM
Your right, a kit an injecting would be the way to go for ideal use.
But, I'm just curious to see if such a thing could work, for knowledge's sake.
06-26-2007, 04:49 PM
A good TD matrix can get you up around 40% absorption...
06-26-2007, 05:39 PM
06-26-2007, 06:42 PM
Well it will cost you money to mix it up, but you could save ~2x the actives. Its up to you if the cost of buying/making a transdermal carrier and the work that goes along with using that form of administration is right for you. Check out the transdermals forum if you're interested.What's a good TD matrix, and is it going to be cost effective versus 'pellet-munching'?
06-26-2007, 07:10 PM
I'm sure once all the cost calcs are put together, you'll only make a small percentage of cost savings from one method to another.
06-26-2007, 08:44 PM
well Ive been taking 10 pellets in 2doses [orally]for 7 days with some flax and wash it down with a protien shake--no real bad sides to report[slight stomach upset] no big deal--WT up 4lbs strength up--noticing viens popping out--Planning to take 12 pellets in 3 doses and also add some grapefruit juice[to extend halflife] all the threads Ive read most quit 2-3weeks for a number of reasons
06-26-2007, 09:11 PM
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06-27-2007, 07:31 PM
Thats my point. It only delays getting to the liver. All of it still gets there though, and has to be processed.
I did google this, and have come up empty handed. Links to medical facts would be appreciated if anyone has them.
06-28-2007, 10:05 AM
Go out and read more about abombs or dbol compared to deca, primo, test
If you need to hear it from a doctor, try here.
06-28-2007, 10:26 AM
It's true that 250mg of test e doesn't go through the liver all at once, because of the oil dissipation. But even if it did (if you injected test base, for instance), it still wouldn't be hepatoxic. If you took injectables orally, they still would not have the same hepatoxicity because they aren't 17aa (although many of them also wouldn't work well because they would be broken down on the first pass).
Tren ace taken orally will have approximately equal hepatoxicity to an equivalent dose of tren ace injected.
06-28-2007, 12:43 PM
06-28-2007, 01:12 PM
06-28-2007, 07:11 PM
06-28-2007, 07:15 PM
Lots of things are tough on the liver. Alcohol isn't 17aa methylated and it can ruin a good liver. Same with Tylenol.
If you mean Tren specifically, I don't really have an answer for you. I've heard that some think because it changes the color of your urine that its hard on the kidneys. But, I've also heard thats just the color of the metabolites and there is no problem.
06-28-2007, 07:22 PM
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